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Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by AlotOfReading »

Sad90sNerd wrote: post #19

I don't understand why people are so eager to give up autonomy. I doubt the software is certified in any meaningful way (see DO-178B), the algorithms are unknown, and the NHTSA sits on its hands whenever these vehicles have accidents. Here is a litmus test: would you allow Waymo to drive schoolbuses with your children? I know I certainly will never allow my family or myself to get into a metal box going 80 mph withou…

Automotive has a similar standard called ISO 26262. ISO-26262-6 is closest to DO-178B, though ISO-21448 is also highly relevant. Both are widely used throughout the industry, including Waymo. The norm in the US is self-certification. European homologation generally requires third party certification, and Waymo is almost certainly in that process right now, as part of their discussions with European regulators.

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Post by jeffbee »

SoftTalker wrote: post #44
someonehere wrote: post #6

I continue to use them instead of Lyft or Uber. Same price practically for me when I commute around SF. I love it.

Why do they use Jaguars? Seems an unnecessary expense.

It's because the car is contract-manufactured by Magna and they came to a convenient agreement to get thousands of white cars with extra holes.

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Post by cameldrv »

aantix wrote: post #9
xnx wrote: post #3

The gap between Waymo and all other competitors in the self-driving space continues to widen.

Have you seen FSD 12.5.1.3?

Yeah. Have you seen Waymo? Even with 12.5, you have to keep your eyes on the road, and at least once or twice a week, it’s going to do something that would likely cause an accident. If it does, Tesla will blame you for not paying attention.

In a Waymo, you sit in the back seat and scroll your phone and it gets you safely to your destination every time. These are not even remotely comparable products.

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Post by dventimi »

I wish they would test going back to point-to-point pick-ups and drop-offs. I can easily see reasons to move to a designated pick-up and drop-off location model, but I feel it weakens the value proposition for people with mobility issues if they have to walk a few blocks.

Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

SoftTalker wrote: post #44
someonehere wrote: post #6

I continue to use them instead of Lyft or Uber. Same price practically for me when I commute around SF. I love it.

Why do they use Jaguars? Seems an unnecessary expense.

Haven’t jaguars always been a mixed bag? Kind of low quality luxury, so I can imagine them getting some kind of deal. The irony is that jaguar used to be know for its really bad electrical wiring back in the 70s.

Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by gniv »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #16

Expecting this to go well generally because freeways are pretty much always easier to self-drive than city streets!

Whenever I drive on highways in heavy rain I wonder how a self-driving car would behave. Virtually all human drivers drive unsafely in these conditions by following too closely. Would a Waymo keep the distance? Seems difficult to do in heavy traffic. The alternative I guess is to drive very slowly.

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Post by Glant »

aantix wrote: post #55
kibwen wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The tech community is in for quite a shock with Tesla robotaxi's come out in a year or so FSD has been set to come out in a year or so since 2014. At this point nobody should be foolish enough to give Tesla the benefit of the doubt; if they have a self-driving car, then they'll take legal liability for its actions, and if they won't take legal liability for its actions, they don't have a self-driving car. This is a…

12.5.1.3 is pretty incredible. Their innovation in this space is accelerating rapidly. I encourage you to watch some of the videos on Twitter. It's here. It's now.

Just watched the first video that shows up on YouTube when searching "12.5.1.3" and it starts with a small compilation of the driver having to take back control before the car hits things.

https://youtu.be/TLUdxdS8bcM

Re: Waymo to begin testing on San Francisco freeways this week

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Post by [deleted] »

numbchuckskills wrote: post #28
BadHumans wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation for 1?

Waymo’s data was derived from crashes reported under NHTSA’s Standing General Order (SGO), over 7.14 million fully autonomous miles driven 24/7 through the end of October 2023 across Phoenix, San Francisco, and Los Angeles. That data was then compared to relevant human crash rates resulting in police reports, injuries, and/or property damage. When considering all locations together, compared to the human benchmarks,…

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Post by BadHumans »

numbchuckskills wrote: post #28
BadHumans wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation for 1?

Waymo’s data was derived from crashes reported under NHTSA’s Standing General Order (SGO), over 7.14 million fully autonomous miles driven 24/7 through the end of October 2023 across Phoenix, San Francisco, and Los Angeles. That data was then compared to relevant human crash rates resulting in police reports, injuries, and/or property damage. When considering all locations together, compared to the human benchmarks,…

> This means that over the 7.1 million miles Waymo drove, there were an estimated 17 fewer injuries and 20 fewer police-reported crashes compared to if human drivers with the benchmark crash rate would have driven the same distance in the areas we operate.

These numbers are not as high as I thought they would be.

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