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Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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I was just watching the X-Men films. I only went up to 2014, but that appears to be basically contemporary - Rogue One is from 2016 and the MCU apparently has a formal division into phases of which "phase 2" centers on 2014. The X-Men films have the property you want, with plots and characterization included in the movie instead of relying on you to bring them with you in your mind. (Are the later films good? They're…

I don’t think it’s budget, i think it’s about the churn. They want an assembly line of blockbusters at a predictable cadence. If you need a good plot it adds a lot of uncertainty into which script, how long it will take to write, etc. much easier to just take whatever the best thing laying around on the deadline day and keep moving forward.

> They want an assembly line of blockbusters at a predictable cadence.

This is something that everyone wants.

> If you need a good plot it adds a lot of uncertainty into which script, how long it will take to write, etc.

This is true of everything too.

Why would these common factors only lead the MCU to abandon the idea of plotting its movies? How come Moana had a plot?

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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I enjoyed Rogue One, they took a unexplored slice of the story after the legends thing and created this self contained, well written journey of a group that is only mentioned in the 4th episode. Takin may have felt a bit off (uncanny valley), but I think it was a good choice to have him included in the story nonetheless. I like the cold, unhinged personality of this character; I've grown used to Peter Cushing's actin…

Rogue One and Andor seem to me to be perfectly adjusted SW stories for the fans of the originals who are now 40+ years older. I hope Andor gets to stretch its legs fully story-wise, there is immense potential in the buildup so far!

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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This is fun to read and also a valuable contribution to preserving the historical details of how it was achieved. I especially appreciate his tone in approaching what had become a somewhat contentious subject:

> Hi, I was the animation supervisor on Rogue One, and as such I was intimately involved with the creation of Tarkin.

> I’ve decided to chime in for one purpose only, to clarify the process we used. I have no interest in trying to convince anyone to like the results more than they do, or to argue with anyone about how “real” our work looked in the film.

I'm one of those who enjoyed RO but also immediately noticed the CGI Tarkin being "off", despite the fact I'd not heard about it and didn't go in looking for it (I had heard something about CGI Leia though). It's helpful that the OP mentioned in the intro that many people never noticed it. Although CGI Tarkin clearly stood out to me, I'm a pretty serious SW fan (having seen the original when I was 12 and the entire opening trilogy many times since). So I'm unusually familiar with Peter Cushing's appearance and mannerisms on-screen in the SW universe.

Perhaps more significantly, I've also had a multi-decade career deeply involved in the creation and evolution of digital production tools and CGI as well as being a sometime professional (and, more often, hobbyist) film-maker. To be fair, once you start counting NAB and Siggraph trade shows you've attended by the dozen, it's reasonable to assume you probably can't see films or CGI the way most people do - and so I concede it's entirely possible CGI Tarkin was adequately executed for the majority of the intended audience.

However, I think that may miss the more important point that, whether CGI Tarkin in RO was "good enough" or not, doesn't much matter in the long run. We've always known creating perfectly photo-realistic CGI humans is extremely difficult, especially substituting CGI for a particular well-known human in a well-known live action context. It's pretty much the hardest CGI thing there is. Like most things in CGI, I'm pretty sure we'll eventually master it but at the time CGI Tarkin was done - it was wildly ambitious and, IMHO, very likely to fail. So the fact CGI Tarkin didn't abjectly fail and was, at worst, mildly distracting to critical eyes, is something the team that did it should be proud of and those of us with those critical eyes should, at the least, be tolerant of and, preferably, celebrate as a worthy historical milestone on the long path toward perfection.

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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I enjoyed Rogue One, they took a unexplored slice of the story after the legends thing and created this self contained, well written journey of a group that is only mentioned in the 4th episode. Takin may have felt a bit off (uncanny valley), but I think it was a good choice to have him included in the story nonetheless. I like the cold, unhinged personality of this character; I've grown used to Peter Cushing's actin…

Andor is one of my favorite shows of all time, it is such an amazing and different portrayal of what the Empire meant.

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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8 has a few low points but overall I think it was great tbh. Took some risks and tried to get away from the importance of “who your parents are”/general “great man” nonsense a lot of heroic epics lean on. 9 on the other hand…oof. Don’t watch that.

I watched 9 in 3-d on my Meta Quest 3. The villain in the last three movies is hard for me to take seriously because he seems to have stepped out of an episode of Doctor Who . I appreciate the last three movies though for outdoing themselves in scale as did early space operas such as Skylark of Space . I see Star Wars as a project that suffered because it went on for way too long; there were major changes in the exte…

If you mean Snoke technically he wasn’t in the 3rd! But yes point taken haha

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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8 has a few low points but overall I think it was great tbh. Took some risks and tried to get away from the importance of “who your parents are”/general “great man” nonsense a lot of heroic epics lean on. 9 on the other hand…oof. Don’t watch that.

8 was not great. David Mitchell puts it best. “My enjoyment was predicated on it amounting to something. It was an IOU to be redeemed at the point of pleasurable revelation, and as there was none, the IOU was never redeemed. Therefore, I hadn’t enjoyed myself.”

Agrees to disagree I suppose!

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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I enjoyed Rogue One, they took a unexplored slice of the story after the legends thing and created this self contained, well written journey of a group that is only mentioned in the 4th episode. Takin may have felt a bit off (uncanny valley), but I think it was a good choice to have him included in the story nonetheless. I like the cold, unhinged personality of this character; I've grown used to Peter Cushing's actin…

Yes, Andor is far and away the best SW content produced in recent years. What I really want to see is what happens with Daedra Meero. She’s such an interesting character. She says at one point that the Empire’s cracking down and sharp authoritarianism is only playing into the rebels’ hands. But of course that is what the Empire is, given that it’s run by a Sith. So we have a “good” Empire employee who wants to be effective at her job. How does she reconcile all those things? What does she do after the Death Star destroys Alderaan? Does she really buy into the Empire and its ways 100%? I’d love to know more about her backstory and frontstory, so to speak, from Andor.

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> We had in our possession a life casting of Peter Cushing’s face. It was made not long after New Hope, so it was very accurate in terms of Cushing’s age, etc. Not mentioned is that the cast he is talking about was made for the movie Top Secret!, where Peter Cushing plays a bookshop proprietor with a distorted face around a magnifying glass.[0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuYTVl0iOkk

That was surprisingly well done

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I recently watched George Millers _Furiosa_ and they used machine learning and cgi to manipulate the face of the pre-teen actress to more closely resemble the adult actress. With the amount of data available constantly being captured of todays actors I’m sure this will become more common - and the brief article I read about it in this case made a point of saying that they had worked with the actors Guilds to establis…

The adult actress, however, doesn't really resemble Charlize Theron from _Fury Road_ though. She did a great job, but I wonder if they couldn't have picked someone with a greater resemblance.

I thought the same thing and could only conclude that she was only picked for her current popularity

Re: Hal Hickel on Creating Tarkin

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Enjoyed RO but having the datacenter at the tropical beach planet made no sense. Think of all the taxpayer money that could have been saved locating it on Hoth. ;-)

It would be infinitely easier to attract talent to a tropical paradise in the galaxy’s equivalent Hawaii than Alaska.
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