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Is running a more efficient way to travel than walking?

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Re: Is running a more efficient way to travel than walking?

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This problem was treated with a bit more sophistication by Harvards Lieberman in „A story of the human body“ and the corresponding nature article [0] establishing persistence hunting as an ancestoral hunting technique of homo sapien. See figure 2b for the plot you were looking for. Running faster is less efficient but only slightly so and walking is a U-shaped curve like most mammal gaites. It shows that in contrast…

I'm a runner and have had a weird question, could a runner defeat a larger human in this way? Like if I found myself in mortal combat with The Rock at 260 lbs after his steroids cycle, could I just repeatedly run away and follow him (while staying out of range) until he tired out and then bonk him on the head with a rock, like a tired antelope? (No offense to The Rock, seems like a great guy) Might explain why we are…

What if the threw a rock at you? He has longer range and a stronger lift.

Re: Is running a more efficient way to travel than walking?

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This problem was treated with a bit more sophistication by Harvards Lieberman in „A story of the human body“ and the corresponding nature article [0] establishing persistence hunting as an ancestoral hunting technique of homo sapien. See figure 2b for the plot you were looking for. Running faster is less efficient but only slightly so and walking is a U-shaped curve like most mammal gaites. It shows that in contrast…

I'm a runner and have had a weird question, could a runner defeat a larger human in this way? Like if I found myself in mortal combat with The Rock at 260 lbs after his steroids cycle, could I just repeatedly run away and follow him (while staying out of range) until he tired out and then bonk him on the head with a rock, like a tired antelope? (No offense to The Rock, seems like a great guy) Might explain why we are…

The Rock would be bad at persistence hunting, but it would be weird if he was so susceptible to persistence hunting. What incentive does he have to fatigue himself in this scenario? When it's you vs animal, the animal runs from you since if you catch it you kill it. The Rock could just chill and say bring it on. If you were sufficiently mobile and clever, maybe you could prevent him from reaching food and water until he's weak enough for you to attack.

Re: Is running a more efficient way to travel than walking?

#64

This problem was treated with a bit more sophistication by Harvards Lieberman in „A story of the human body“ and the corresponding nature article [0] establishing persistence hunting as an ancestoral hunting technique of homo sapien. See figure 2b for the plot you were looking for. Running faster is less efficient but only slightly so and walking is a U-shaped curve like most mammal gaites. It shows that in contrast…

I'm a runner and have had a weird question, could a runner defeat a larger human in this way? Like if I found myself in mortal combat with The Rock at 260 lbs after his steroids cycle, could I just repeatedly run away and follow him (while staying out of range) until he tired out and then bonk him on the head with a rock, like a tired antelope? (No offense to The Rock, seems like a great guy) Might explain why we are…

I think the term you're looking for is endurance.

Endurance advantage is a big factor in many sports and offers a viable strategy.

The issue with your suggestion is that it's not uncommon for massive heavy athletes to also have excellent endurance too, so even if they may not catch you, they would still be the one stalking you.

Re: Is running a more efficient way to travel than walking?

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post #53

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I found running style is a major contributor. I got knee pain preparing for a 10K run in my early 20s. When I stopped for a month it would go aways, but when I started again it would instantly come back. I then learned about natural running (forefoot strike, using your joints for suspensions) which made logical sense to me. I could run again, even every day, and even more than a decade later no knee pain when running…

Thank you for providing this information. I've been getting hip pain when running so I'll see if I can incorporate and test the effects of a forefoot strike.

Every time I have had a leg-related running injury (knees, ankles, calfs, hip - you name it) the solution from the physio has always included doing squats.

Now if I feel a niggle coming somewhere I just do a bunch more squats throughout the day (whenever I remember really) and that usually solves it after a week or two. Nothing super strenuous - just like 10 to 15, perhaps 2 or 3 times a day

I have tried minimal shoes as well as super-spongy ones over the years, or trying to change heel strike Vs forefoot rtc and it seems it is only squats that make a difference!

Good luck.

Re: Is running a more efficient way to travel than walking?

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Need to take into account different body types, and whether the goal is to burn calories or not. Whether there is time gained or not. Say, walking is evidently more efficient than running. Why do people run then? Because circumstances demand it; because they like to stay or get into shape, because they want to burn fat, because they enjoy a change of pace, or because they need to catch a bus. Or simply: because they can / find it fun (children). Speaking of children: hopping is the most efficient form of movement for small children (IIRC around the age of 6).

Re: Is running a more efficient way to travel than walking?

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This problem was treated with a bit more sophistication by Harvards Lieberman in „A story of the human body“ and the corresponding nature article [0] establishing persistence hunting as an ancestoral hunting technique of homo sapien. See figure 2b for the plot you were looking for. Running faster is less efficient but only slightly so and walking is a U-shaped curve like most mammal gaites. It shows that in contrast…

I'm a runner and have had a weird question, could a runner defeat a larger human in this way? Like if I found myself in mortal combat with The Rock at 260 lbs after his steroids cycle, could I just repeatedly run away and follow him (while staying out of range) until he tired out and then bonk him on the head with a rock, like a tired antelope? (No offense to The Rock, seems like a great guy) Might explain why we are…

Why would he chase you if he could never catch you?

He would just sit down and try to stay awake longer than you and then bop you on the head.

Re: Is running a more efficient way to travel than walking?

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I'd say it's obviously wrong? 7:00 min/miles is a 4:21 min/km, which would result in 21 min 5K, 43 min 10K, 1h 32 min half marathon and 3h 3min marathon. I can run a 7 min mile pace, but I can't sustain it for a long time, and when it comes to comparing running VS walking, 20-30 km feels like the distance you should use, as that's a distance most people could walk daily over an extended period of time (e.g a week). I…

I'd be very happy if I could just maintain a 8min mile over 10k. 7 min mile sustained feels like an impossible goal. Hell, my best single mile is 6:48 and I'm dead at the end of that.

When I did a running course, I started from a bit above nothing (hence first weeks were boring) and ended at 5 km in 30 minutes (easily, with 8 min remaining). The course took 12 weeks to reach, approx 3 runs a week (so sometimes one extra day off). I was around 35 y.o. then, so it was still relatively easy to get in shape. If you're older, this is more difficult. But the course was nice because I had a (Belgian) woman in my ears telling me what to do. Really easy. You do what she tells you to. And if you can't, you still give it your best. Oh, and dear reader, do yourself a favor: do a proper warming up, every time. You don't want to retract a muscle.

Re: Is running a more efficient way to travel than walking?

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This problem was treated with a bit more sophistication by Harvards Lieberman in „A story of the human body“ and the corresponding nature article [0] establishing persistence hunting as an ancestoral hunting technique of homo sapien. See figure 2b for the plot you were looking for. Running faster is less efficient but only slightly so and walking is a U-shaped curve like most mammal gaites. It shows that in contrast…

I'm a runner and have had a weird question, could a runner defeat a larger human in this way? Like if I found myself in mortal combat with The Rock at 260 lbs after his steroids cycle, could I just repeatedly run away and follow him (while staying out of range) until he tired out and then bonk him on the head with a rock, like a tired antelope? (No offense to The Rock, seems like a great guy) Might explain why we are…

i don't think it would work on human vs human because the other one would go find a tool to work in their advantage. In this case, The Rock would get a gun and a car and then you're SOL.
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