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Re: 'Agua, Agua'

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I think it's pretty stupid to challenge yourself in ways that are guaranteed to harm your body in some way, even if the harm is temporary.

I suppose you are welcome to judge people as you please, but essentially everyone who hikes, skis, climbs, kayaks, skates, surfs, runs, or plays any sort of contact sport will disagree with you.

Almost everyone who did sport on the highest level suffered irreversible damage. Of course modest training is very important and healthy in all aspects.

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#62

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I'm sorry to hear about your MS - I can understand seeking whatever treatment might help, Did you do a pre/post MRI to compare the effect? (or whatever, CSF markers, OCT, what have you) How did you decide on the type and length of the fast? Have you tried water fasts beforehand? How long did you find a positive effect? Is the fast something that you plan on doing on continual schedule?

My MRIs are great because of all the "alternative" practices I did over the years, and it's not a new diagnosis either, usually at this stage people have a sizable amount of lesions. My last brain MRI came almost entirely clear, remarked upon by the doctor, with no signs of brain atrophy, which is almost unheard of at this point especially for someone not on a conventional immunosuppressant I did do water fasts, dry…

How long ago was the MS diagnosed? What other alternative practices have you done? Any of them for an appreciable time with consistent good results (or inversely bad results when stopping)?

May your good health continue!

Re: 'Agua, Agua'

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post #29

I wonder what would happen if we had a huge truck of fish, then loaded thousand of fish to one of those most dry areas in the world – IE without coyotes – layed out evenly. Would these make good good in few years? edit: good food

Yes it makes good food, but no you don't need to have an extremely dry place to do this. What you want is a cool climate so there are less issues with insects and bacteria. And it only takes around 3 months.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockfish

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#64

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My MRIs are great because of all the "alternative" practices I did over the years, and it's not a new diagnosis either, usually at this stage people have a sizable amount of lesions. My last brain MRI came almost entirely clear, remarked upon by the doctor, with no signs of brain atrophy, which is almost unheard of at this point especially for someone not on a conventional immunosuppressant I did do water fasts, dry…

How long ago was the MS diagnosed? What other alternative practices have you done? Any of them for an appreciable time with consistent good results (or inversely bad results when stopping)? May your good health continue!

Thank you,

15 years ago

- "paleo" diet with the usual elimination trifecta of gluten, sugar & dairy, quit alcohol & nicotine - later keto

- much later (6 years ago) carnivore diet

- more recently megadose vitamin D (~2y with breaks)

- even more recently psilocybin (full doses)

- a lot of supplementation over the years which took a long time to figure out because the space is so vast and so hard to read, at least it was back in the early '10s. Nowadays B vitamin megadoses, fish oil, some newer research findings like n-acetylglucosamine, still have a lot to explore in the peptide area for neurogenesis and myelin repair, also mineral balancing, iron management (I'm male so phlebotomy), a few popular and totally mainstream supplements researched for MS like alpha-lipoic acid

That's about it in the most condensed manner. The entire history would be about 30x the size as my supplement drawer proves, though I already threw out a lot

Things I failed at and hurt me: stress management, sleep. Doing much better nowadays but these should probably be #1.

Re: 'Agua, Agua'

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I'm sorry if you "sense a lack of open-mindedness" in my skepticism regarding Russian medicine. I'm actually very curious - I've water fasted myself. But I try to be rational, and tend to think anecdotal evidence shouldn't move my priors too much.

I don't know why you're making it about Russian medicine, as I said I've only given this example to show there is interest in structured arrangements for dry fasting, I guess it backfired because those Russians are backwards pre-scientific primitives or something. Fasting is an ancient practice, perhaps the most ancient medical practice.

There's a difference between not eating food for a day, and not drinking any liquids for 10 days... one of these can and will kill you. Do you know which? It seems you do not.

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I'm willing to bet that whomever originally came up with the 'auspicious' 9 days never did it themselves.

Since it seems like a group that already practices and values feats of fasting and endurance it's probably most likely that it commemorates a single particularly notable fast attributed to a specific individual in the community's history. It's possible that that individual didn't actually succeed and it was based on a myth. But I seriously doubt some guy decided one day to try to trick his peers into doing a brutal f…

In the origin legend of the marathon, the runner dies upon completion.

Re: 'Agua, Agua'

#67

I used to know a lot of Hispanic immigrants in Chicago. One of them told me his story. It start with his mom sewing two hidden amounts of dollars into the lining of his pants. When the coyotes he'd hired dumped him and 12 others in the desert near the border they were surrounded within minutes by gunmen who put them on their knees. He said a gunman tore straight into his pants and found one of the bundles (but clearl…

Jesus Christ that's brutal.

I'm not trying to bait political arguments, but how do we fix the problem with the US/Mexico border?

It seems to me that fixing that requires fixing central American countries first? Why do I feel like this is just hopeless?

Re: 'Agua, Agua'

#68
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Tendai "Marathon monks" in mount Hiei finish 1,000-day kaihōgyō with 9-day period without food, water, and sleep but they have to walk only 400m in those last 9-days. Only 46 men have finished. If I remember correctly the 9-day period was shortened to something like 6 or 7 days, because too many of them died.

I'm into dry fasting, and I know people that did up to 20 days no food/water, and obviously little (but some) physical activity like slow walking.

Legit question: What's the draw to that? Why do you do that to your body?

Re: 'Agua, Agua'

#69

I think it's pretty stupid to challenge yourself in ways that are guaranteed to harm your body in some way, even if the harm is temporary.

Most human practices are stupid if you think about them long enough.

I don't know why you're being down voted. You're right.

Most social norms are really weird when you think about them.

Shaking hands. Why is it considered a sign of, I don't know respect maybe, to grab someone's hand and shake it? The chances of them carrying a weapon today are pretty slim. But the handshake still exists. Weird.

Re: 'Agua, Agua'

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why you're making it about Russian medicine, as I said I've only given this example to show there is interest in structured arrangements for dry fasting, I guess it backfired because those Russians are backwards pre-scientific primitives or something. Fasting is an ancient practice, perhaps the most ancient medical practice.

There's a difference between not eating food for a day, and not drinking any liquids for 10 days... one of these can and will kill you. Do you know which? It seems you do not.

You don't know what you're talking about though, I'm in the community and I assure you there are MANY of use that do it, some more often then others. I know a guy how once did 3 back-to-back 15 day dry fasts with 3 day breaks in between.
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