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Dropbox' Public/ folders will be phased out soon

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Re: Dropbox' Public/ folders will be phased out soon

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dropbox has a website? (Yes I knew Dropbox had a website. I'm speaking for all those users who downloaded it once and now use it to synchronize their computers, never realizing there is a website too. And yes, these people do use the public folders: they right click & send the link to someone, but don't connect that to the idea they can see their own files on the web)

I have helped a computerphobe (hates computers and Internet, clueless, but must use them) with Dropbox. She gets that her folders on various computers around town are synchronized. I had a very difficult time explaining to her that her same folders and files are available via the web interface. Those people are out there.

Most people (as in the majority of the population with access to digital media) have a very difficult time understanding that the filesystem is a hierarchy.

I'm always espousing the necessity of backups to my friends/family, which means I've usually got the role of setting up a Dropbox account for someone without a technical background.

When I say that their "My Documents" folder is a level above their Dropbox folder, I get a blank stare. While many users can create folders and somewhat organize their data, to most non-experienced users I've encountered, the mental image of a hierarchy of data segmented into directories is not represented clearly enough by the GUI's of modern operating systems.

When people hear the word "folder" and see the folder icon, they don't think of it (the way we do) as a metaphysical representation of the overall directory tree. They simply think of a folder on a desk. A folder on a desk is not usually inside another folder. It's usually just sitting there. So a user without knowledge of the tree/hierarchy model just sees various sets of folders, not a set of folders within other folders. Therefore getting things into their Dropbox is an exercise of mental visualization that takes time and explanation.

Further, once I've somewhat explained this concept, I usually leave it there and tell them that "the green checkmark means you're backed up." The web interface is a whole new exercise in visualization that is quite a bit more difficult to pick up. Even after I tell people that "your data is synced to the web interface," they don't initially understand what that entails, and believe the web interface is separate from the files they've "backed up" on "their Dropbox" (the local Dropbox folder.)

My girlfriend (A/B test subject #1) is used to using the "upload" button on the Dropbox web interface because for a good while she didn't realize things on her local folder would sync to the web interface. She's also not entirely comfortable with the hierarchy model, and the "upload" model is in fact easier for her to understand.

Reminds me of the SJ quote from an AllthingsD conference where he says every usability test hits a wall when the user encounters the filesystem. I've seen this evidenced again and again.

Re: Dropbox' Public/ folders will be phased out soon

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This is a major downgrade in the Dropbox user experience. It makes it more confusing to know what is shared WITH THE ENTIRE WORLD and what is not, which is a tremendously important thing to know. Simultaneously, it makes it more difficult to share files. Dropbox "gains" by adding their splash screen into the file download process, but every user of the product loses. This is a decision made by the marketing departmen…

Any reason why the marketing department would do it?

Re: Dropbox' Public/ folders will be phased out soon

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post #16

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You could organize all the files you want to share into a single folder. Maybe name it something like Share/ or Public/

But you would still have to generate links for each individual file in there right?

I right clicked a random folder and used "Get a Link" and I was able to browse to it without being logged into Firefox.

What more do you want?

Re: Dropbox' Public/ folders will be phased out soon

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You could organize all the files you want to share into a single folder. Maybe name it something like Share/ or Public/

If only Dropbox had a folder, perhaps already called Public, that you could organize your shared crap into...

Right Click Any Folder, Dropbox -> Get a Link

Re: Dropbox' Public/ folders will be phased out soon

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People started to use Dropbox as a free CDN, didn't they? Why do we need AWS CloudFront if we have Dropbox? :)

Because S3 makes a terrible CDN. The latency is bad and can vary significantly.

Using it as a CDN for very large files is fine but for standard static web assets it's terrible.

Re: Dropbox' Public/ folders will be phased out soon

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This is a major downgrade in the Dropbox user experience. It makes it more confusing to know what is shared WITH THE ENTIRE WORLD and what is not, which is a tremendously important thing to know. Simultaneously, it makes it more difficult to share files. Dropbox "gains" by adding their splash screen into the file download process, but every user of the product loses. This is a decision made by the marketing departmen…

Any reason why the marketing department would do it?

It drives recipients to the Dropbox website.

Eg, right now I can put an image file in my /public, get the link and embed it in an img src tag without the anyone else ever having to know it's on Dropbox.

This way, I can't do that. I can make a clickable link and paste that. Then people have to click to see the picture on the Dropbox website. Where Dropbox can constructively engage them in a dynamic exciting conversation.

Re: Dropbox' Public/ folders will be phased out soon

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post #46

I like the change, and also consider the Public folder to be redundant. I hated having to move files to the Public folder every time I wanted to send a link to someone. I am satisfied with https://www.dropbox.com/links as a way to see which links are shared with the world. Some cynics say it's a marketing tactic, but I actually like the preview as well. I don't have any esoteric use cases like using Dropbox to host w…

Ok so say you're bashing out a HTML site with some other frontend people, so you throw it up on your Public folder, and they can access it at /u/8798798/whatever/index.html, and their browsers can access associated content (html, css). This is used a LOT in the web design industry, and taking this out is going to piss a lot of people off.

From my perspective, it seems like these customers are not the target market for Dropbox. As such, I hope that Dropbox continues to cater to people like myself, who use Dropbox for synchronization across machines instead of as a substitute for hosting services as other people are trying to do. It's nice that they were able to do so, but I'm not sure it was ever advertised as such. To me, Dropbox sharing is a substitute for e-mail attachments, not for use as a CDN. The latest Thunderbird e-mail update seems to reinforce this belief [1].

I think that even the "Photo Gallery" feature that they currently offer is overkill. I like Dropbox because they (for the large part) specialize in doing one thing and doing it well. I hope that they remain that way. Services that tend to provide everything to everyone end up satisfying no one.

[1] http://www.ghacks.net/2012/04/27/using-thunderbirds-new-file...

Re: Dropbox' Public/ folders will be phased out soon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any reason why the marketing department would do it?

It drives recipients to the Dropbox website. Eg, right now I can put an image file in my /public, get the link and embed it in an img src tag without the anyone else ever having to know it's on Dropbox. This way, I can't do that. I can make a clickable link and paste that. Then people have to click to see the picture on the Dropbox website. Where Dropbox can constructively engage them in a dynamic exciting conversati…

That last sentence made me snicker.

Re: Dropbox' Public/ folders will be phased out soon

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post #53
post #37

Does anyone else think this can be easily fixed with a Powershell (or batch) script? Preconfigure it with your public folder url "id" and make it so it copies the generic url to the clipboard (complete with filename) and just appends a "?dl=1" at the end. Make a shortcut to the script and send it to the context menu. Don't say Dropbox creates a unique token for every link made, which means in that case, we'd have to…

The browser will treat the link as a download instead of content. You click on an image link, it downloads the image instead of displaying the image. Seriously breaks using the folder as a simple content server.

sigh, i just realised HTML files would just download and not open this way. Why Dropbox, why?

Re: Dropbox' Public/ folders will be phased out soon

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What I find disappointing is their focus on photo uploads. I think users really just want to pick a best of breed provider for major features like this in their lives, and Facebook has photos sharing locked up. Dropbox has brought simple file synchronization between machines that are not necessarily on the same network, to the masses, but they need to do it in away that doesn't make you want to drop Dropbox when it g…

> I updated the clock, Dropbox deleted all files in my Dropbox that were newer than the last time I had that machine running.

While off-topic, this is a concerning scenario that I hadn't considered.

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