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Re: Hello Opera 12

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> For example, on Firefox/Chrome "right click > search on google" open a new tab, on Opera it load Google in the current tab. In Opera Ctrl+Click opens a new tab, Ctrl+Shift+Click opens a new tab in the background. It's not a new feature. Learn to play your class. ;)

Nice trick. I use Opera as well, and didn't know about this. However, i can't think of any other software where modifier keys makes a difference in context-menus, so i really wouldn't blame people for not knowing.

On windows right clicking on a file and selecting delete sends it to trash, right clicking, holding shift and selecting delete skips trash. This is at least windows xp old. On windows 7, don't remember the others, if you hold shift while right clicking more options appear (probably depends on the file).

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Not really. I've told countless people about how Opera really is the best browser, by far, and how people using Chrome and Firefox are stuck in the stone-age of Internet Explorer 6. I'm getting tired to repeat it. Screw it, I'll do a quick run. Depending on how good your computer is, Chrome will buckle (freeze your computer, in my case) sooner or later after you keep increasing the number of tabs, due to the one proc…

>right now opera:cpu shows me a round number of 115 tabs with 1.5 GB RAM usage That's impressive, but I can't imagine having over 5 tabs open. It would be impossible for me to use that many at once.

I also use the tab stacking feature, so many related tabs are grouped together. Right now I have 2 full column of tabs and groups on the left side of my screen. It's actually very comfortable, although sometimes I clean up a lot of them. Like another user said here, I use them as bookmarks, or in my case as "read-later" lists, so I never completely forget about something I want to do or read.

I think it's a matter of habit. You can't use so many tabs if you don't have (at least) a multiline tab bar, preferably one aligned vertically.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Apparently my Firefox looks very similar to your Opera, everything from left-handed tab bar with groups and plugins on demand to scrolling through tabs with RMB+mouse wheel. I'm literally using all of the features you mention. I think you can set up Chrome in mostly the same way. Of course you need to use extensions while Opera does it all out of the box. I prefer being able to pick-and-choose features and I apprecia…

> Even if that's true, "stuck in the stone-age" is just flamebait rhetoric. Not so. Firefox and Chrome come out of the box with more or less the same features as Internet Explorer 6, which is stone-age browsing for me. Sure, you can add extensions and add-ons but they (at least for Firefox) slow down your browser, take time to set up (unless you use a portable version you carry everywhere with you), may be a security…

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Re: Hello Opera 12

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Care to expand this? A quick look at the linked page shows a bunch of under the hood improvements that will appeal to web developers, but as a user I remain ignorant of why people use Opera. To be clear I used to use Opera back when they where the only browser with tabs, but that was close to a decade ago.

Not really. I've told countless people about how Opera really is the best browser, by far, and how people using Chrome and Firefox are stuck in the stone-age of Internet Explorer 6. I'm getting tired to repeat it. Screw it, I'll do a quick run. Depending on how good your computer is, Chrome will buckle (freeze your computer, in my case) sooner or later after you keep increasing the number of tabs, due to the one proc…

Depending on how good your computer is, Opera will buckle sooner or later if you have very demanding pages. That does not usually happen with Chrome (unless you have a huge number of tabs, which doesn't usually happen to me).

Our usages differ quite significantly. Why does that make Chrome stone-age?

"You can also use ghostery (an extension) to block all these resource-consuming background scripts, just in case you have reached the limits of your hardware."

Plugins that are available to pretty much every browser aren't a compelling argument for superiority (http://www.ghostery.com/download), just developer awesomeness. I notice that under Opera it says "/Almost/ full detection", so it's not even as fully featured as on other browsers.

If you're allowing plugins, I'm not sure I can think of a feature in Opera that you can't acheive in Firefox. But of course the argument is that Opera gives you all of them out of the box (whether you need them or not), in which case you can't use widely cross-browser plugins to try and bolster your argument.

"And by the way, one last thing. The default option for Opera is to restore your tabs from your last browsing session, which was not the case for Chrome and Firefox last time I checked"

I almost never want to restore the last session, and when I do Firefox and Chrome (and Opera if you change the default settings) give me the option to without forcing it upon me.

A lot of the defaults in Opera seem to be geared around managing a large number of tabs. I don't have a large number of tabs. I have a few windows with max. a dozen tabs each and I use bookmarks and other tools to manage things I want to keep around long term. I know lots of people who do the same. Yours and my use cases differ. That doesn't make Opera or Chrome or Firefox poorer, it just means different design trade-offs have been made.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Opera is still not getting some basic features right and that is costing them users. I remember asking for a feature in forums in days of Opera 11.00. The feature was something that every browser has: "Remembering contents of a text field." For example, when I enter my email address once in a website and then come back another day and write first letter of my email id, it is displayed in a dropdown. But Opera outrigh…

This very blog post announces drag and drop support.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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Apparently my Firefox looks very similar to your Opera, everything from left-handed tab bar with groups and plugins on demand to scrolling through tabs with RMB+mouse wheel. I'm literally using all of the features you mention. I think you can set up Chrome in mostly the same way. Of course you need to use extensions while Opera does it all out of the box. I prefer being able to pick-and-choose features and I apprecia…

> Even if that's true, "stuck in the stone-age" is just flamebait rhetoric. Not so. Firefox and Chrome come out of the box with more or less the same features as Internet Explorer 6, which is stone-age browsing for me. Sure, you can add extensions and add-ons but they (at least for Firefox) slow down your browser, take time to set up (unless you use a portable version you carry everywhere with you), may be a security…

"take time to set up"

Chrome and Firefox have the option option to sync your extensions, as well as bookmarks etc. and settings. I just have to login to Chrome or Firefox on a new computer and it's pretty much identical.

Contrast that to Opera Link, which as far as I can find doesn't sync extensions or settings, so I'd have to configure it and change all the default settings I don't like.

I'm pretty darned sure IE6 doesn't have the ability to sync settings.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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post #31

Opera 12 is the first third-party web browser for Windows to offer an official 64-bit version. (Neither Firefox nor Chrome have official 64-bit versions for Windows. And I think Safari for Windows doesn’t have one either.) Does this translate to any substantial improvements in speed? Does anyone here know of any benchmarks?

64-bit is not really useful for browsers with multi-process architecture like Chrome. It is very unlikely that a single tab will need 64-bit address space.

64 bit address space significantly improves the effectiveness of ASLR, 64 bit tagged pointers can store way more data (7 byte strings, dunno if anyone actually does that, though).

Re: Hello Opera 12

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post #20

Why don't they enable WebGL by default? I don't see why more people don't realize, WebGL is a prime Microsoft threat and the key to moving away from the MS Windows monopoly. That's why Microsoft has done so much work to try to scare people away from WebGL (by sponsoring 'security research' and creating FUD content on Wikipedia (seriously, look at the history of that article, the person who created the whole 'security…

This is a real shame, especially for HTML5 games. What's even worse is hardware acceleration on the 2D canvas appears to be disabled by default too, so HTML5 games in Opera 12 on a powerful desktop will run slower than an iPad or iPhone, because they have hardware acceleration. Looks like Opera 12 is a no-go for gaming.

Re: Hello Opera 12

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post #58

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> Even if that's true, "stuck in the stone-age" is just flamebait rhetoric. Not so. Firefox and Chrome come out of the box with more or less the same features as Internet Explorer 6, which is stone-age browsing for me. Sure, you can add extensions and add-ons but they (at least for Firefox) slow down your browser, take time to set up (unless you use a portable version you carry everywhere with you), may be a security…

"take time to set up" Chrome and Firefox have the option option to sync your extensions, as well as bookmarks etc. and settings. I just have to login to Chrome or Firefox on a new computer and it's pretty much identical. Contrast that to Opera Link, which as far as I can find doesn't sync extensions or settings, so I'd have to configure it and change all the default settings I don't like. I'm pretty darned sure IE6 d…

IE6 was released more than 10 years ago and doesn't even do tabs. The comparison is laughable.
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