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Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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drinking fermented food is healthy, including beer

I think that requires a quote to a research. I would be very surprised if beer drinking compared to just drinking water has a positive health outcome.

Anecdotal but a dark beer settles my stomach almost instantly.

But here's research since you asked: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9966200/

It's really not surprising, we know fermented foods are good for the microbiome.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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In the 90s I remember the '1 or 2 glasses of wine a day is good for you' message was common knowledge but now appears to be propoganda. I always that it was strange at the time and nowadays that myth has been thoroughly debunked. I am no longer a partaker but I wonder what is unique about alcohol that triggers people to come out of the woodwork with whataboutism and messenger attacks to defend its' usage? In this thread we see examples of people in denial and with unhealthy dependent relationships with it. Or perhaps they work in the industry.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Acetaldehyde is also be metabolized by the brain for energy. May be why some people get so addicted.

That’s an interesting chemical. One stereotype I’ve heard is that people quit drinking and then become addicted to coffee. Coffee apparently can have acetaldehyde in it.

Roasted coffee has variable amounts of acetaldehyde, but typically in the tens of ppm. So, coffee will present orders of magnitude lower acetaldehyde exposure than drinking even dilute alcoholic beverages.

I wonder more about soluble fiber carbohydrates leading to ethanol production in the gut.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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This NS piece is complete misinformation. This below is by a writer who has been writing about this sort of thing for years. "Tim Stockwell has been up to his old tricks. In a study that was widely publicised this week despite being published in January, he claims - yet again - that moderate drinking does not confer health benefits. The study is largely a rehash of his meta-analysis from last year (which I wrote abou…

>In his comments to the Guardian he more or less admits that he is only doing this because the benefits of alcohol consumption are inconvenient to people like him who want to regulate booze like tobacco...

>>“The idea [alcohol has benefits] has impacted national drinking guidelines, estimates of alcohol’s burden of disease worldwide and has been an impediment to effective policymaking on alcohol and public health,” he added.

That doesn't sound like he's "admitting to" what your linked article says he's admitting to.

Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, trying to debunk this Stockwell guy's work, only to make oneself look unreliable with such claims.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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I'm amazed that this is still an ongoing discussion. All of these "studies" have been distracting with muddied data from a very simple, unambiguous scientific fact: alcohol is a poison. By its immediate biological effects, it literally is a poison. And you shouldn't drink poison.

Decades of studies rationalizing that "actually, people who drink two glasses of wine a day live longer" and their ilk, have only ever distracted from this simple truth, obviously so hard to contradict by first principles.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Given the immense benefits that some amount of social drinking can confer on an individual, this really doesn't pass the pub test. Reading the article increases the impression further. If drinking less than 11 times a year is not good enough to meet the author's bar, then whatever absolutely miniscule population of people who've literally never had a drink in their entire life there is are going to be subject to so many confounding variables that they'll be worse than useless, there is simply not a big enough sample size of people who otherwise lead completely "normal" lives, and yet literally never touch alcohol, it's absurd.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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In your experience, is the alcohol required to enjoy the night out? I've personally had nights out with and without alcohol that were just as much fun. I'm also very much a homebody though, so I'm not a great sample to really say either way.

I think that may be a moot point if you move from an individual level to a societal level. Like, the positive effects that their success in baseball has on the Dominican Republic would likely also be there if they would commit that hard to basketball, or chess (and maybe that would come with less knee injuries). Yet, it's still correct to say that baseball is hugely beneficial to the DomRep. My larger point being tha…

> My larger point being that we have to disentangle "what should you do on your evenings" and "what is a good cultural approach to this issue"

Those are actually one in the same for me, or at least two parts of the same answer. People should spend their evenings however they want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else.

I'd be very concerned with any cultural approach to changing behavior, basically "Nudge" with a different name. Culture should be the byproduct of the collective people, a retrospective understanding of what the people already are. Culture shouldn't be a tool for manipulation in my opinion.

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In your experience, is the alcohol required to enjoy the night out? I've personally had nights out with and without alcohol that were just as much fun. I'm also very much a homebody though, so I'm not a great sample to really say either way.

If it's required you shouldn't drink. Alcohol is only good when you don't need it.

I'd extend that to nearly everything in one's life beyond the absolutely necessities like food and water.

Candy, entertainment, police, governments, even shelter. They're all great things as long as you want them but don't need them.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Do you have support for that claim? Large, large parts of the Islamic world are not westernized at all — I would be very surprised if rural Yemeni housewives or Socotran shepherds ever drink, or for that matter 99% of people in pre-tourist-visa Saudi. Hard agree on their being a myriad of confounding factors from genetics over climate and family relationships to diet, though...

Well, i have family connections to pre-visa middle eastern countries and yes, alcohol is a problem. Thats why they have the rule. Are drugs also not a problem also in many countries despite national bans? Remember too that about 30% of people in western nations are essentially dry (<2 drinks per year). So the asking questions approach has merit.

Interesting! Didn't expect that. Also useful statistic with the 30%, makes sense I guess.

Getting off-topic at this point I guess, but I think national bans can go both ways (and everything in between). I suppose (alcohol) Prohibition and the War on Drugs in the US are prominent examples, but I don't think such bans are doomed to fail necessarily — especially if they are tied with genuine cultural or religious beliefs, geographic isolation, pragmatic unavailability or the thing being banned being simple "not in fashion",,

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