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Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by wseqyrku »

blakesterz wrote: post #6

People with websites used to have a clear reason to allow bots to crawl and index our sites. Google and everyone sent us traffic. There was something of a trade off. Google has been slowly changing that trade by displaying more and more of our sites on google.com rather than sending people our way. As far as I can see there's no sending people away from SearchGPT, it just gives answers. I can't see any reason to allo…

If that's the case, I think it's fair to say that we can skip websites and just host a service that chatgpt can talk to. If you're a restaurant, user can actually order right from the chat. or voice.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by supertofu »

MattDaEskimo wrote: post #11

I really dislike this as OpenAI has spent the past months signing sweetheart deals with any publisher willing to sell their content for training data. It ties everything to their platform and returns a regurgitation of prioritized content without indicating any sort of sponsorship. SEO will be replaced by cold hard cash, favors, and backroom deals

> SEO will be replaced by cold hard cash, favors, and backroom deals

The fact that SEO has to exist in the first place is evidence of search engine mafia.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by Workaccount2 »

iamleppert wrote: post #53

ChatGPT has already largely replaced Google Search in many of the cases I have. I no longer rely on Google to do basic research, it feels so out of date and clunky compared to just getting an answer to your question. No looking through multiple pages and clicking through to web sites with ads and paywalls and trying to piece together an opinion from multiple sources. ChatGPT just works, and it works quickly, and its…

Because it is still "usually" right, I still end up using google.

Also google gives an AI generated answer at the top now, along with the sources so you can quickly check. I have caught a few bad answers like this.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by moralestapia »

avgDev wrote: post #38
moralestapia wrote: post #27

GG Google and I couldn't be more pleased. It may not be this specific iteration that kills it, but a search product with AI (and without trash) is what will dethrone it. I'm already using ChatGPT for ~30% of the queries I used to use Google for. I prefer hallucinations to ads, to be honest. They were right to call Code Red when GPT came out, but their response to it has been extremely poor, even when they had all the…

ChatGPT is like a drunk expert. It says the correct words but might completely wrong. I've had some funny instances of it hallucinating.

"SEO-optimized" sites are equally crappy, if not worse.

You still have to discard a lot of information from Google, you probably just got used to it. Even though I still use it for ~70% of my queries, what I'm actually looking for is one or two pages down the list of results, the first ones being just mediocre articles around the topic of interest.

What's the first thing you do when you get Google results? You scroll down, it has become muscle memory at this point.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by llm_trw »

chubot wrote: post #43
moralestapia wrote: post #27

GG Google and I couldn't be more pleased. It may not be this specific iteration that kills it, but a search product with AI (and without trash) is what will dethrone it. I'm already using ChatGPT for ~30% of the queries I used to use Google for. I prefer hallucinations to ads, to be honest. They were right to call Code Red when GPT came out, but their response to it has been extremely poor, even when they had all the…

OK but this is the same pattern as image uploading services - https://drewdevault.com/2014/10/10/The-profitability-of-onli... 1. google was a good search engine when it was less profitable 2. now that it is more profitable, it is bad Importantly, it was possible for Google to be good AND profitable at the same time! Roughly from 2003-2013 perhaps. 1. OpenAI is nowhere near profitable ... it seems to be heavily depend…

LLMs aren't tech that can be free, the good ones are expensive enough that we have to move away from the malvertising economy that was supported by keyword searches.

Here's hoping capitalism starts working again with subscriptions so users are the consumers and not the product.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by zachmu »

Seems like this spells the end of any website that vends information or answers to questions, as opposed to narratives. Narrative based writing (or images) will be fine, people will still visit and see ads. But anything matching the search term "how do I" or "when was the" is toast.

Most websites in this business are, generously, hot garbage. And it's getting worse. So I imagine AI search will be quite successful at displacing them.

The problem moving forward: how do we keep information-based websites in business so that AI can scrape them? There's a real risk of AI eating its own seed corn here. Seems only fair that AI scrapers pay for the content since they're not generating ad views (and are in fact stealing future ad views). But I have no idea how you would enforce that.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by markild »

namdnay wrote: post #54
blakesterz wrote: post #6

People with websites used to have a clear reason to allow bots to crawl and index our sites. Google and everyone sent us traffic. There was something of a trade off. Google has been slowly changing that trade by displaying more and more of our sites on google.com rather than sending people our way. As far as I can see there's no sending people away from SearchGPT, it just gives answers. I can't see any reason to allo…

So you get the information out to people without even having to serve traffic? Sounds like a win? At the end of the day, if they want to book/buy anything they’ll have to go to your site

I guess collaborative sites like forums are likely to suffer greatly from this shift.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Post by freefaler »

jigneshdarji91 wrote: post #22

I've been using Perplexity for the past 3 months on a regular basis and it has replaced DDG for most use cases. It's really nice to have answers directly. Product comparison/updates/features: > What's the difference in speedo latex cap vs elastomeric? > What's new in iOS 18 Beta 4? Documentation (esp for non-mainstream tools): > How do i find the sioyek db files? How do I move it to my local iCloud folder instead? I'…

Perplexity is great, but they might have their rug pulled underneath them.

They use google and other search providers to run the query over the results and may be they still can find a good provider. However it's either Google or Bing and they both have their own competing products.

However, openAI might not execute this better and then Perplexity might have a chance... (I hope so).

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