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Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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post #39

Suppose a crawler or rival search engine doesn’t respect robots.txt, reddit can’t stop them. Make it a bit trickier, yes, but not stop them.

It is evidence that they didn't have permission if you sue them.

There's no grounds on which to file suit. The 9th circuit court found web scraping is legal.

https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/18/web-scraping-legal-court/

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

#62

Hopefully this paves the way for antitrust action, but I won't hold my breath. Reddit's justification for this is profoundly wrong. Their "public content policy" is absurd doublespeak, and counter to everything the open internet is and hopes to be. You cannot simultaneously call yourself "open" and "public" while refusing access to automated clients. Every client is automated. They even go so far as to say that "craw…

Sorry, what is the antitrust concern about Reddit blocking crawlers that aren’t paying them? Surely you don’t think Reddit has a monopoly on anything?

Or are you somehow suggesting that it’s google’s fault that Reddit took this step? I don’t see any indication that’s the case.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

#63
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you in theory, but in practice someone has to pay for all this magic.

We did. As in we, the Internet, existed for a long time without anyone making money and we paid for the privilege. Websites were built and hosted at owner's expense, for years, with no expectation that they be financially rewarded. Sure some would run donation drives, or work with sponsors relevant to the community in question, but a whole ton, mine included, just cost me a lot of money over many years. Those website…

Part of the issue is that it isn’t just the web, but the inevitable american corporate shareholder model. Even businesses could be mom and pop ified and made way more popular overnight: quit raising prices and cutting corners and it would actually stand for itself like a massive $7 burrito. However the expectation is that shareholders get returns. Costs must be cut. Prices must be raised. Margins must be improved. It doesn’t matter if this eats the business alive, as shareholders are sufficiently leveraged. The whole system is incentivized to select for inferior quality and taking all the available money on the table.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

#64

This is great. It means I won't see Reddit content popping up all over search results in other engines. Can Medium do the same? And perhaps Quora?

FYI, Kagi lets you do this and personalize it as you desire. They even share aggregated stats※ about which domains users choose to block/lower. (Mine generally match these stats.)

※ - https://kagi.com/stats?stat=leaderboard&k=-2

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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post #26
post #23

site:reddit.com works for kagi for new posts this week?

Basically all 'independent' search engines piggyback off Google or Bing https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm... >Our search results also include anonymized API calls to all major search result providers worldwide

>Basically all 'independent' search engines piggyback off Google or Bing

Incorrect: https://www.mojeek.com/about/why-mojeek

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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post #13

Reddit has been ripe for disruption for years. It's just waiting on an inflection point and someone to take it behind the barn.

Man, I just want to be able to search the entire internet for when I’m doing niche research.

Does this mean there will be a future where everyone is running their own crawler? I suppose.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

#69

This is great. It means I won't see Reddit content popping up all over search results in other engines. Can Medium do the same? And perhaps Quora?

Kagi lets you configure the search engine to deprioritize or even fully eliminate search results. They ride on the back of Google's indexing so -- if you ever change your mind -- you could bring reddit searches back.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

#70

I deeply regret every minute spent on and kilobyte of text contributed to reddit.

I can confidently state that I'm a net negative for Reddit, looking at the dozens of banned accounts in the trash bin of my KeePass vault
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