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No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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I want a financial person to explain to me why we continue to expect exponential growth of companies’ revenue year after year, and why that makes any logical sense in a world with finite resources.

>I want a financial person to explain to me why we continue to expect exponential growth of companies’ revenue year after year, and why that makes any logical sense in a world with finite resources. Because entropy. When a living organism stops its exponential cell division, we call that death. In an economy, when things cease to grow, we call it recession. When that growth is in balance with the decay, we call it a…

Adult living organisms don't have exponential cell division. When they do, we call that cancer.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Also: Nobody in a village should take up 2 houses for themself. But some can, and can even take up 100 houses... so long as the other villagers are fighting amongst themselves, over whether their house should be larger than that of their neighbor. Turns out most of their problems are arguably traceable back to those people with 100+ houses each. Which would be glaringly suspicious to an outside observer. But the vill…

What’s ironic[1] about these comments is they set up these ignorant-sheep narrative about how the villagers are bickering among themselves. Which begets more finger-pointing among the villagers instead of looking at the real source of their problems. [1] Not ironic if you don’t think you’re one of the villagers.

Excellent point. You could look at it as very resilient diversion -- even calling out the diversion becomes a diversion.

I'm wondering how often it happens organically, and how often it has some conscious help.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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I suppose the jury is still technically out on whether the Western strategy of leaving mostly everything up to mostly chance is a good idea, but I am not liking the preliminary results. I imagine the experts are on it somewhere though (because science and democracy essentially guarantee optimality), so I won't bother worrying about it.

We're encouraged to pick a destiny but hardly anyone reaches theirs and then the fault is put on them so they don't speak up.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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>Also: Nobody in a village should take up 2 houses for themself. >But some can, and can even take up 100 houses... How much % of the housing supply is actually taken up by people with 100 houses?

How much of zoning laws are lobbied by peopke with 100 houses? People owning the houses is not the problem, as other people still live in those houses. The incentives to keep it a good investment is still a problem.

>How much of zoning laws are lobbied by peopke with 100 houses?

Dunno, in my experience all the NIMBYs in my area look like some rich person with way too much time on their hands attending city planning meetings, not some slick lobbyist. If anything the discourse goes both ways, with some alleging that "greedy developers" are the ones doing the lobbying.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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I think I see where he's coming from, and it makes sense to me. But where is the evidence that expectations have changed for young men? A paragraph or two with examples would be useful. It is of course a bit nebulous to try to define "expectations on young men" so I'm willing to go with some sort of essay that presents the evidence.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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simply, when a boy is dependent on his mother's approval for a sense of self it's all the justification he needs, and there is almost no increasingly-terrible situation in which a mother will not love her son. the worse his life, the more he depends on her, the less abandoned she is. it's the definition of a co-dependent cycle. Maybe he replaces her or shares that role with other women, but he ends up in the same cycle of dependency and collapse. Fathers teach boys to set boundaries for themselves, which has the effect of weaning them off psychological dependency on their mothers approval and innoculates them to some of her edges and those of other women. This is why only can men make other men, as without masculine boundaries, their emotional locus of control is external.

We blame the absent fathers, and that's at least half the problem, but only half. The other half is that mothers don't raise men alone, and so you get punks and criminals, boys with "nice guy" predatory survival strategies, neurotics, and other maladapted and unserious men. It's arguably why "bastard," is such a longlived epithet. The only reliable escape is to master something and find mentoring in pursuit of the competence that develops the necessary self-confidence and esteem for setting personal boundaries.

> He should be held to high standards. Otherwise, he will sink to the level of his environment.

A male peer group can raise these standards, but it's mean reversion, and if you're in a neighbourhood of boys raised alone by their mothers, that's going to be a low bar. The entire culture war is between people who resent their dads for being absent or weak, and those who don't. There are paths out, but as a wise woman once said, "no one is going to give you the education you need to overthrow them."

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Value growth isn't tied to physical resources anymore, it's increasingly ascribed to intangible things, such as intellectual property. I'm not saying that growth is guaranteed to continue, just that economies have already been growing based on more abstract values; it's not all about food and fuel anymore.

> it's not all about food and fuel anymore Is it, though? The biggest IP bubble now is AI, and the main bottleneck of AI is energy to power those datacenters. Doesn't google use as much energy as a few small countries now? Biggest pharma IP now is Ozempic, which let's be honest here, is because westerners are addicted to processed corn and fried stuff. And hectares of monoculture corn sprayed with Roundup and sprinkl…

Yes, everything is ultimately dependent on physical resources, but the value creation is at a higher level, and you hopefully get more value out of less resource as things advance. I don't consider AI a positive example, it's a hype bubble for sure. But think how much computing power per watt you get compared to 30 years ago.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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I think that's a bit disingenuous. Home ownership under 35 is nearly 40%. 35 and up it increases to above 60% https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2023/07/younger-house... has some nice statistics.

It'd be interesting to see what would happen to 35 and up if you excluded everyone born before, idk, 1980, and then again if you excluded everyone born before 1965.

Luckily, the link provides just this information:

35-44: 62% 45-54: 70% 55-64: 75% 65+: 79%

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Gen Z are the richest generation in all of American history on a median per-capita real income basis, compared to older generations when they were the same age. And it's not even close. Millenials are the second richest in American history. The only problem is housing. Any discussion not focused 100% on housing is not grounded in reality.

Richest? How? Maybe by total wealth. I think wealth should be measured by how many hours at the median wage do you need to achieve a socially acceptable standard of living. Unfortunately, our standards have gone up and there are things that are now necessities that weren't before.

>Maybe by total wealth.

>I think wealth should be measured by how many hours at the median wage do you need to achieve a socially acceptable standard of living.

That's a weird definition of "wealth". Wealth is generally understood to mean how much assets you have accumulated, not your free cash flow. What you're describing is properly referred to as discretionary income.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_income#Discretionar...

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