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Young adulthood is no longer one of life's happiest times

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Re: Young adulthood is no longer one of life's happiest times

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Hey, Gen Z. Gen X here. I personally think this whole "young adulthood is the happiest time of your life" is some sort of bizarre Boomer artifact, and certainly wasn't in play in the late '80s or '90s. I was told that repeatedly when I was a teenager, but it certainly wasn't the case for me or most of the people I knew when I was a young man, 35 years ago. We were all totally blindsided by how bad the high school exp…

This article establishes, that things aren't any more like you experienced them in the past. It certainly wasn't all great in the past for young people, but statistics show it's way worse now.

Re: Young adulthood is no longer one of life's happiest times

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I think it's crucial to find out why this is happening. "Other than cell phones, I don’t have anything" is not good enough as a conclusion. It's the most obvious thing, but it could have numerous other reasons. It should be possible to extend this research with other factors. There must be a few participants that rarely use smartphones and the internet. Do they show the different results? If the source is the interne…

The loss of the future is hard to accept; I don’t think I ever really have. Every year is the hottest year of your life, or the coolest for the rest of your life; watching the destruction of the biosphere that is your home. Facing down decades of that is terrifying, and the young have more decades ahead of them than anyone.

Re: Young adulthood is no longer one of life's happiest times

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In my mind, and this isn't science, just observation, the two main problems are loneliness and not being able to afford what was in decades past a "normal life." I think the internet and smartphone have a large role in the lonelinesses part. All in all, a teenager has this idea that when they're an adult they'll start living life, and then they get there and they can't start a family and have a home of their own beca…

I don't think that poverty and money has such a big effect on happiness, as long as the basic needs are covered (food and a dry/clean bed to sleep). There was a lot of happiness in Eastern European countries during the communist time. They were lacking so many things and they saw many human rights violations, but it didn't break the majority of people. Many people still have a lot of good memories about that time, al…

It's all relative to expectations. Habits can make a big difference. Participatory culture (making music, church, extended family and friend group socializing) don't need to cost much money. Consumer culture (streaming, concerts) costs more, plus you are now expected to pay $$$ for communication technology.

People can make other people happy without much money, that's my point.

Re: Young adulthood is no longer one of life's happiest times

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Child support actually is a transfer payment to the custodial parent with no check any of it goes to the child, 'child support' is a misnomer like 'patriot act'. Taking care of the child is a separate consideration, it can be spent on the kids, shoes, or a case of jack daniels.

Then you can take your ex to court and get custody. It’s not like this situation wasn’t considered.

You aren't going to get custody of your child support payment is $10k/mo and your ex only spends $1k/mo on the child.

Re: Young adulthood is no longer one of life's happiest times

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As an anecdotal data point, I’m happier than in my early and mid 20s, and I have hope for my 30s.

Would you be willing to share what is causing your unhappiness, and what has caused the changes you mention and optimism for the future?

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Re: Young adulthood is no longer one of life's happiest times

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People are expected to care for their own children, yes.

Cheaper not to have them and risk the outsized long term financial obligation. ~43% of first marriages fail, ~60% of second marriages, ~73% third marriages. Roughly half of all children will see the parents’ marriage fail or them separate (per the CDC).

You can also make sure, before you get married and/or have kids, that neither one of you is an unreasonable jerk. Then you can work out custodial arrangements and financial obligations like reasonable people, as most divorced people I know seem to do.

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Cheaper not to have them and risk the outsized long term financial obligation. ~43% of first marriages fail, ~60% of second marriages, ~73% third marriages. Roughly half of all children will see the parents’ marriage fail or them separate (per the CDC).

You can also make sure, before you get married and/or have kids, that neither one of you is an unreasonable jerk. Then you can work out custodial arrangements and financial obligations like reasonable people, as most divorced people I know seem to do.

This does not appear to be widely practiced.

Re: Young adulthood is no longer one of life's happiest times

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'boomers' had their youth in the mid 60s... a booming time - music, revolution, sex, etc... and coming of age as western economies were booming (or about to) after WW2. GenX... 'greed is good' age of Wall Street, AIDS epidemic, constant threat of nuclear war permeating every aspect of culture - go watch 80s shows and see how many references to 'commies' and 'ww3' and such - it was everywhere. Yes, I know every genera…

While I agree with you, the Cuban Missle Crisis was the 60s, so I assume nuclear war was very vivid. But having fresh memories of WW2, perhaps we felt confident “never again?” or were numbed to the idea.

Yeah, I guess the kids in 50s/60s did nuclear missile drills - hide under your desk in school, etc.

Re: Young adulthood is no longer one of life's happiest times

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From the article conclusion : > “What you need here is something that starts around 2014 or so, is global and disproportionately impacts the young—especially young women,” he says. “Anybody that comes up with an explanation has got to have something that fits that. Other than cell phones, I don’t have anything. I don't now maybe seing consequences of global climate change with your bare eyes and noticing most of boom…

I don't think so. It's probably a real threat to human survival, but most people lack the perspective to recognize that. Humans are great at denial. I guess not even the majority see climate change as the biggest threat, there are people who see an equal threat solely in vaccinations or diversity. For others it might be immigration, war or economy. Maybe the difference is that we invented devices and services to easi…

> I don't think so. It's probably a real threat to human survival, but most people lack the perspective to recognize that. Humans are great at denial.

If you don't think so, like the OP, then my youngest point of view about the reason why youngest generation must be fearful of the futur is indeed invalid. I really see no flaw in this reasoning, billions of people are probably gonna dies but that's not gloomy at all...

Re: Young adulthood is no longer one of life's happiest times

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I would also expect child support and alimony demands peak from 35-49 or so. It's got to be stressful knowing if you can't come up with the cash not only will you starve but you'll be tossed in a cage and your professional license, dl, and passport revoked

People are expected to care for their own children, yes.

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