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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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It's interesting reading the opinions in the comments on this thread. As a non-US person, I don't have a strong opinion on Cuba. I'd like to visit someday but don't know much about it other than the headlines. Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your co…

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Why does the US still have sanctions on them anyway? The missile crisis was 50 years ago. It's time to forgive.

A bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges and won’t let go of them until they’re given their stuff back or a ton of money, which, this far on, isn’t happening. Florida is important in Presidential elections. US elections are structured such that dumb stuff like a relatively small—but loud—and also hopeless interest in…

Do you own anything of value? What about your family?

Now let's try practicing some empathy: How would you feel if I just took that from you?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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If I were Xi Jinping, I’d step in quite heavily at this point. A few billions in investment would do wonders there. I’m sure a hypersonic nuke base could also be negotiated in return.

He’d much rather the USA just invaded it, subjugated all its people while proclaiming that it is a long held part of the post-Kennedy American empire.

Fits his narrative better.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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> Most of those migrants have come to the United States in what experts call the most significant migration wave in Cuban history. With the destabilization that a population drop of 10% has, the potential for more migration in the long term and the associated costs... Wouldn't it make sense for the U.S. to invest and help Cuba? It would also have the additional benefit of maybe depriving Russia of an ally.

"Wouldn't it make sense for the U.S. to invest and help Cuba?" Part of the reason Cuba is in the shape it's in is because of previous US investment and "help".

That stopped being true 70 years ago, and it was the withdrawal of American aid that brought Castro to power (he still pretended to care about human rights then).

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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A bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges and won’t let go of them until they’re given their stuff back or a ton of money, which, this far on, isn’t happening. Florida is important in Presidential elections. US elections are structured such that dumb stuff like a relatively small—but loud—and also hopeless interest in…

Do you own anything of value? What about your family? Now let's try practicing some empathy: How would you feel if I just took that from you?

Oh, I get it. It’s just not gonna get them anything. That ship sailed decades ago. On a policy level, all this is doing is causing harm.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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A bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges and won’t let go of them until they’re given their stuff back or a ton of money, which, this far on, isn’t happening. Florida is important in Presidential elections. US elections are structured such that dumb stuff like a relatively small—but loud—and also hopeless interest in…

I think that's really underselling the political persecution that many have suffered in Cuba. It's far and away from just wanting reparations for land grabs. We have sanctions on Cuba for the same reason we have sanctions on Russia and Venezuela now- we don't want to fund what their government is doing, and allying with them gives us little to nothing in return. That said, it's pretty obvious that economic sanctions…

It may not in the short or medium term cause regime change, but sufficiently large sanctions on a country do stop it from growing in influence, wealth and power. Eventually, after some number of generations, Cuba could be so poor in comparison to the rising tide of the rest of the world, that it's not even able to defend itself or maintain government control. At some point, the disparity in power becomes overwhelming and you have super high tech society surrounding stone age cave men.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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It almost seems the Cuban exiles want the people they left behind in Cuba to suffer as much as possible. What else have the sanctions achieved?

There seems to be a belief that if sanctions remain THIS YEAR, regime change will come to Cuba. It didn't work. Well, NEXT YEAR they will, they have to! Repeat for 50 years. Most people fleeing Cuba blame current regime for their suffering with good reason. So they have a desire to see it overthrown.

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does the US still have sanctions on them anyway? The missile crisis was 50 years ago. It's time to forgive.

A bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges and won’t let go of them until they’re given their stuff back or a ton of money, which, this far on, isn’t happening. Florida is important in Presidential elections. US elections are structured such that dumb stuff like a relatively small—but loud—and also hopeless interest in…

I would still hold a grudge. I hold historical grudges going back centuries.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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It's interesting reading the opinions in the comments on this thread. As a non-US person, I don't have a strong opinion on Cuba. I'd like to visit someday but don't know much about it other than the headlines. Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your co…

If anything Cuba is heavely romanticized outside the US I believe.
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