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Bananas Don't Taste Like They Used To. Here's Why

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Re: Bananas Don't Taste Like They Used To. Here's Why

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

fuzztester wrote: post #57
fuzztester wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that Hotel Hawaii song ... "you can never leave" :) https://genius.com/Eagles-hotel-california-lyrics

my god, the number of insane downvoters on hn. they even downvote you for an innocuous comment like mine above. I can only guess that they are losers or haters or retards or are hurting heavily for some reason, so they feel the need to strike out blindly, to get some kind of pathetic relief from whatever it is that they are hurting from. it could be job loss, or lack of money, no SO, etc. See Maslow.

I think you're way out of line. It's you who appears deranged over some downvotes.

Why are you reaching so far into the "why" and assigning those users very strange and hurtful characteristics? "Insane", "retards", "haters", "no money and no love in their life". Are you sure the reasons can't be simpler? What do the HN guidelines say on the topic?

PS: I don't have the ability to downvote anything in case you think I'm your mortal enemy / hater / retard.

Re: Bananas Don't Taste Like They Used To. Here's Why

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Post by Sirizarry »

outime wrote: post #43
nakeru wrote: post #38

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"I don't fit in a generalisation therefore that generalisation is not true". At the same time, not sure we have the data to back up the original argument. Personal anecdata? People around do expect to find everything all year round, and they get mad if they don't.

What are you supposed to say if you read a statement that includes you in a group you don't belong? That's why it's important to be more precise instead of saying "customers" in general.

It’s obviously a generalization. If you don’t fit that description then they’re obviously not talking about you therefore nothing has to be done. Why would you have to say anything anyways? Who are you?

Re: Bananas Don't Taste Like They Used To. Here's Why

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Post by wakaru44 »

kelipso wrote: post #51
arghwhat wrote: post #46

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> we'll all end up eating food that it is just nutritious enough to keep us from starving That's not a problem with "big food" - the food is far too nutritious and abundant . Sugary cereals for children and big macs can't be described at "just keeping us from starving". We want restricted (but complete) nutrition that is just enough to keep us from starving, so that we maintain our size and don't end up with an energ…

There are different meanings or measures of what nutritious and taste mean, which I feel like is contributing to miscommunications here. Nutrition as you define it seems to be purely calories. Another definition would be complete micronutrient profile. Taste as you define it seems to be fat, sugar, salt. Another definition would be complexity of taste. Big food currently optimizes for the first definitions of above w…

Looks like you completely made up the interpretation that you wanted and fitted your point. Your point can be valid, but it does lose strength when your interpretation of the previous comment gets both points backwards.

Re: Bananas Don't Taste Like They Used To. Here's Why

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Post by kelipso »

arghwhat wrote: post #59
kelipso wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are different meanings or measures of what nutritious and taste mean, which I feel like is contributing to miscommunications here. Nutrition as you define it seems to be purely calories. Another definition would be complete micronutrient profile. Taste as you define it seems to be fat, sugar, salt. Another definition would be complexity of taste. Big food currently optimizes for the first definitions of above w…

Nutrition is to me all the nutrients we need to consume. The same rules apply to them all - we need a certain amount of them all, all non-engineered foods only cover some subset of it (hence needing to eat “balanced” to even things out), and we handle abundance of any of them very poorly. “Big food” is not problematic because of what it lacks (getting more of any time of nutrition is easy in modern society), but beca…

You are basically ignoring an entire dimension of food taste, enjoyment, and satisfaction by saying complexity is not tastiness. Plus you are ignoring the fact that nutrition includes micronutrient profile. Then you are concluding that high calorie food has high nutrition and tasty foods are foods that you want to eat more of. No offense but this is like a child's view of food, or maybe some kind of food addict view of food. There is a lot more to nutrition and taste than your current definition of it.

Re: Bananas Don't Taste Like They Used To. Here's Why

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Post by kelipso »

wakaru44 wrote: post #63
kelipso wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are different meanings or measures of what nutritious and taste mean, which I feel like is contributing to miscommunications here. Nutrition as you define it seems to be purely calories. Another definition would be complete micronutrient profile. Taste as you define it seems to be fat, sugar, salt. Another definition would be complexity of taste. Big food currently optimizes for the first definitions of above w…

Looks like you completely made up the interpretation that you wanted and fitted your point. Your point can be valid, but it does lose strength when your interpretation of the previous comment gets both points backwards.

The whole point of my comment is about the definition of nutrition and taste. It's not made up.

Re: Bananas Don't Taste Like They Used To. Here's Why

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Post by arghwhat »

kelipso wrote: post #64
arghwhat wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nutrition is to me all the nutrients we need to consume. The same rules apply to them all - we need a certain amount of them all, all non-engineered foods only cover some subset of it (hence needing to eat “balanced” to even things out), and we handle abundance of any of them very poorly. “Big food” is not problematic because of what it lacks (getting more of any time of nutrition is easy in modern society), but beca…

You are basically ignoring an entire dimension of food taste, enjoyment, and satisfaction by saying complexity is not tastiness. Plus you are ignoring the fact that nutrition includes micronutrient profile. Then you are concluding that high calorie food has high nutrition and tasty foods are foods that you want to eat more of. No offense but this is like a child's view of food, or maybe some kind of food addict view…

You are ignoring that I am in fact including both macro and micro nutrient profile (if you exceed any individual parameter, you have consumed too much nutrition) and that I am using the widest possible definition of food taste that would include any type of pleasurable food experience - merely implying that complexity alone itself is not tastiness. Complex taste profiles can be tasty, but sometimes they are merely interesting.

The focus on too much is important. No food has everything you need (other than engineered Soylent-like foods), and we rely on composing a healthy diet by using foods whose profiles augment each other. The weaker the nutrition of a food item, the more room you have to augment your diet to obtain the needed balance. If you are already close to any limit, your options for augmentation to cover the remaining needs without reaching an excess is heavily reduced. If a single food item already exceeds any limit, there is no way to construct a healthy diet with it.

If your way of dealing with disagreement is to call opposing views childish, then it is safe to say that you are not mature enough to hold a discussion on the matter.

Re: Bananas Don't Taste Like They Used To. Here's Why

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Post by fuzztester »

AlexeyBelov wrote: post #61
fuzztester wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

my god, the number of insane downvoters on hn. they even downvote you for an innocuous comment like mine above. I can only guess that they are losers or haters or retards or are hurting heavily for some reason, so they feel the need to strike out blindly, to get some kind of pathetic relief from whatever it is that they are hurting from. it could be job loss, or lack of money, no SO, etc. See Maslow.

I think you're way out of line. It's you who appears deranged over some downvotes. Why are you reaching so far into the "why" and assigning those users very strange and hurtful characteristics? "Insane", "retards", "haters", "no money and no love in their life". Are you sure the reasons can't be simpler? What do the HN guidelines say on the topic? PS: I don't have the ability to downvote anything in case you think I'…

hmm. maybe you're right.

it's just that it seems to me that is senseless of these people to downvote comments for what seems like no good reason at all. and like I said somewhere else here recently, why can't they make a reply comment, saying what they think is wrong with my comment, if they disagree - as you just did. I can't tell, by a downvote, whether they just disapprove, or actually disagree. and if they disagree, it would be helpful if they said why. downvoting seems like the lazy option in the case of disagreement.

but yes, you really cannot change people. either they have some good reason for doing it, which I don't understand, or they just are that way.

anyway I am getting tired of doing it, so maybe I'll take your advice and just ignore it from now on.

thanks for your feedback.

Re: Bananas Don't Taste Like They Used To. Here's Why

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Post by actionfromafar »

fuzztester wrote: post #67
AlexeyBelov wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're way out of line. It's you who appears deranged over some downvotes. Why are you reaching so far into the "why" and assigning those users very strange and hurtful characteristics? "Insane", "retards", "haters", "no money and no love in their life". Are you sure the reasons can't be simpler? What do the HN guidelines say on the topic? PS: I don't have the ability to downvote anything in case you think I'…

hmm. maybe you're right. it's just that it seems to me that is senseless of these people to downvote comments for what seems like no good reason at all. and like I said somewhere else here recently, why can't they make a reply comment, saying what they think is wrong with my comment, if they disagree - as you just did. I can't tell, by a downvote, whether they just disapprove, or actually disagree. and if they disagr…

I like to make off-topic comments once in a while almost for sport, or humour I guess, but when such comments are down-voted, I try to just ignore it.
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