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Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by AndyKelley »

pkage wrote: post #38
AndyKelley wrote: post #22

> To install Zed on most Linux distributions, run the shell script below. This is not an acceptable way to install anything on Linux. If you want to target Linux users you can't distribute with a shell script for installation. I get that the idea is to reduce friction to installation and trying it out, but most Linux users - the ones you want filing bug reports anyway - are ones who will do due diligence and inspect…

This is a fairly common way to install tools on Linux. Tailscale, Homebrew, Pi-hole and many others offer installations in this way.

The same criticisms apply to Tailscale, Homebrew, Pi-hole and all those others.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by mikojan »

DarkCrusader2 wrote: post #57

Does anyone know what is their monetization plan, or if they even have one? Editor with even this much polish takes a lot of time and effort. How is it being funded? Can we expect useful features to progressively get locked behind subscription as it grows in popularity (a la Gitlab)? Edit: Nevermind, found it - https://zed.dev/faq#how-will-you-make-money . Interesting charter. We envision Zed as a free-to-use editor,…

> We envision Zed as a free-to-use editor, supplemented by subscription-based, optional network features, such as:

>

> Channels and calls

> Chat

> Channel notes

>

> We plan to allow offer our collaboration features to open source teams, free of charge.

https://zed.dev/faq

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by AndyKelley »

vanviegen wrote: post #60
AndyKelley wrote: post #22

> To install Zed on most Linux distributions, run the shell script below. This is not an acceptable way to install anything on Linux. If you want to target Linux users you can't distribute with a shell script for installation. I get that the idea is to reduce friction to installation and trying it out, but most Linux users - the ones you want filing bug reports anyway - are ones who will do due diligence and inspect…

This comes across as rather entitled. They offer an easy installation path that works for most people. They also went out of their way to provide alternative installation methods and instructions [1]. All while gifting you and the world free and open source software. [1] https://zed.dev/docs/linux

My interest is not in using this text editor as a consumer, but in guiding software development culture in general, particularly when it comes to installation of Linux applications.

Some talks I have given on this topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq1XqP4-qOo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwXixVcliP0

So, I think "entitled" is the wrong insult. "arrogant" would be more accurate.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by drdaeman »

hypeatei wrote: post #40
AndyKelley wrote: post #22

> To install Zed on most Linux distributions, run the shell script below. This is not an acceptable way to install anything on Linux. If you want to target Linux users you can't distribute with a shell script for installation. I get that the idea is to reduce friction to installation and trying it out, but most Linux users - the ones you want filing bug reports anyway - are ones who will do due diligence and inspect…

> you can't distribute with a shell script for installation Why not? It worked for me.

There are two schools of thought. One strives for correctness, even if that requires extra effort. Another is "anything goes as long as it somehow kind of works more than it doesn't."

(Actually it's most probably a spectrum rather than a binary division, but I'm no philosopher or sociologist, so for example's sake I'll operate with this simplified model here.)

The world en masse is generally preferring the latter (picking the easiest solutions, no matter how shitty they are - that's how we ended up with what we have today*), but among the engineers there are a significant number of people who believe that's how things should be.

There are numerous issues with copying and pasting `curl | bash` invocations from random webpages: all sorts of potential security issues, the installed software (if it works) could be installed in a way different from how your OS/distribution does things (or from your personal preferences), leading to all sorts of future issues, etc etc. Someone probably has a good write-up on this already. But - yeah - on the other hand, it works for number of people.

___

*) And, of course, the opinions if what we have today is "good progress" or "unbearable crap" also vary.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by Zambyte »

wolfadex wrote: post #59
Zambyte wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW Emacs also fits that bill.

It does, though I found learning and setting it up to be more complicated. My preferred editor is one that's very simple to setup and use (e.g. Sublime, VSCode, Zed, nano). Emacs is cool, and maybe someday I'll get around to using it but so far it hasn't met my needs.

Fair enough, I have personally spent a decent chunk of time configuring my Emacs setup (though it has mostly stabilized at this point). You may be interested in checking out Doom Emacs[0] if you want to take a stab at it in the future. It sounds like it would be an out of the box experience closer to what you would want.

[0] https://github.com/doomemacs/doomemacs

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by maxbrunsfeld »

AndyKelley wrote: post #22

> To install Zed on most Linux distributions, run the shell script below. This is not an acceptable way to install anything on Linux. If you want to target Linux users you can't distribute with a shell script for installation. I get that the idea is to reduce friction to installation and trying it out, but most Linux users - the ones you want filing bug reports anyway - are ones who will do due diligence and inspect…

As a point of clarification, the script does not edit your zshrc file, it just prints a suggested edit that you may want to make to that file in order to add zed to your PATH.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by dijit »

handsaway wrote: post #26

I tried zed for a few weeks because I'm generally sympathetic to the "use a native app" idea vs Electron. I generally liked it and its UX but: 1. VSCode is pretty damn fast to be honest. Very rarely is my slowdown in my work VSCode loading. Maybe I don't open very large files? Probably 5k lines of typescript at most. 2. Integration with the Typescript language server was just not as good as VSCode. I can't pin down e…

Yeah, I agree about VSCode being sort of fast enough. Computers are getting faster and I’m on a M-series mac which makes web rendering much faster but still I feel like as far as electron apps go: VScode is basically the golden child.

Slack & Teams on the other hand, ouch.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by wolfadex »

thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #58
wolfadex wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I specified the modal editing I was referring to how the workspace search in Zed brings up each result in an editable "window" allowing me to make edits across my whole project from 1 tab. VSCode's workspace search feels much more limited in comparison.

That sounds like an interesting feature. Could you provide a link that gives more information about it? I am not finding it in the docs.

I'm not seeing it in the docs, maybe I should write up a little something on my editing experience!

Also to correct my self, I think I mistakenly said `modal` when I should have said `buffer` earlier.

So searching across the project brings up your results in multiple buffers, each about 5 lines (expandable to more) and you can do all of your normal editing within each/all of the buffers.

If I happen to write something up, I'll try and remember to share it in this thread.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Post by NormenKD »

AndyKelley wrote: post #22

> To install Zed on most Linux distributions, run the shell script below. This is not an acceptable way to install anything on Linux. If you want to target Linux users you can't distribute with a shell script for installation. I get that the idea is to reduce friction to installation and trying it out, but most Linux users - the ones you want filing bug reports anyway - are ones who will do due diligence and inspect…

They aren't happy with this, either:

"[...]And of course, the journey isn't over yet－we'd love your help, particularly if you're excited about:

- Helping bring Zed to your distro. Either by packaging Zed or by making Zed work the way it should in your environment (we know many people want to manage language servers by themselves).[...]"

Give them a hand ;) https://zed.dev/docs/development/linux#notes-for-packaging-z...

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