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Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by bayindirh »

rty32 wrote: post #50
bayindirh wrote: post #16

I wonder what would happen if Ladybird matures well to compete with Firefox and Chrome (hope so), and it's just forked away by some company and completely closed down in a whim, because BSD-2 allows that.

If you the amount of features in Chrome and Firefox (just those in the standard, nothing extra), you would know "mature well to compete" is a long way away, if not impossible. And I don't see any problem with forking. Tons of browser bugs were found, reported and fixed exactly because companies forked them. And remember that Blink is forked from Webkit.

I have seen IE's rise and fall. Netscape's rise, burn and rebirth as Firefox, saw Safari as a fork of KHTML and rise of Chrome.

Ladybird might be added to this list. It's not impossible. It'll be a winding and hard road to go, but it is not a path with no end.

You don't need to fork a codebase to fix its bugs. It's GitHub's workflow (fork -> PR -> merge). What I meant, as noted in this thread, is a hard and closed fork propelled with money and corporate greed, which eclipses the open and primary version and drown it in the process.

EEE'ing it, basically. This is why I prefer GPL (preferably V3+). If you want to improve it, it's open. If you want to monetize and EEE it, then nah. It's not allowed.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by Sammi »

yuvadam wrote: post #10
awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

How does Ladybird avoid Mozilla's fate? How can it be a long term sustainable project?

I've heard Andreas Kling say that they will not accept donations that have strings attached. This means they can never sell search engine placement to Google for instance. This is what ties Mozilla to Google.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by yuvadam »

awesomekling wrote: post #48
yuvadam wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does Ladybird avoid Mozilla's fate? How can it be a long term sustainable project?

It depends on what you mean by “Mozilla’s fate”. In general, we are setting a much narrower goal than Mozilla and hope that focusing on only browsers will allow us to keep things simple and more sustainable financially. :)

Mozilla is dependent on advertising money from Google, is that only because they ventured in other directions? I'm not intimate with their finances, but it seems just building a browser is a large enough - expensive - R&D effort.

Are you planning on charging your users?

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Post by pferde »

F3nd0 wrote: post #38
awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

Congratulations on the kick-off! Now that Ladybird is no longer a part of SerenityOS, will you consider a switch to a licence which not only grants, but also protects user freedoms (e.g. the GPL, MPL, EUPL)? Also, any thoughts on having official communication channels on some open, freedom-respecting platforms, rather than Discord only?

Indeed. This is something I could see myself contributing to (or attempting to, anyway), but as soon as I saw Discord+Github, I lost all interest.

Github I can understand to some extent, it's a convenient temporary staying place until they can afford, community-wise, to move to something truly open, but Discord? In this day and age?

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Post by bezier-curve »

mronetwo wrote: post #39

Nitpick (or is it?) but the website is soulless and just bad. The website design communicates that this is just another immature project, desperately looking for a VC funding, just following modern design trends where "design == aesthetics". Yuck. I am happy to see the project thrive.

Have to agree, though I think as the saying goes, "don't hate the playa, hate the game". Capitalism sucks. Sorry for my non-HN-like comment, but it's the truth.

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Post by darby_nine »

input_sh wrote: post #23
darby_nine wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is only the second time i've seen this project so maybe this is just your perspective.

Twenty hours ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40845954 Also twenty hours ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40845951 One day ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40838973 Along with 60 other threads you can see by clicking the link I posted.

I personally am not on HN 24/7 so for my own sake I appreciate it getting posted frequently enough for me to see it.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by forgotpwd16 »

input_sh wrote: post #23
darby_nine wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is only the second time i've seen this project so maybe this is just your perspective.

Twenty hours ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40845954 Also twenty hours ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40845951 One day ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40838973 Along with 60 other threads you can see by clicking the link I posted.

Seems only 3 submissions from homepage, all within 1 day: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=ladybird.org

Can assume site was set-up yesterday and people are submitting it without checking if others did too.

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Post by noduerme »

neocritter wrote: post #49
vaylian wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's too pessimistic. The code is there and it can be used to push the project forward. If some part of it is not good enough, then an alternative implementation can be created (potentially in a different language)

A classic: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-... >> "The idea that new code is better than old is patently absurd. Old code has been used. It has been tested. Lots of bugs have been found, and they’ve been fixed. There’s nothing wrong with it. It doesn’t acquire bugs just by sitting around on your hard drive." >> "Each of these bugs took weeks of real-world usage before they were found. The…

The only exception is if you have 500k LOC in a language whose runtime is going to be deprecated on all platforms overnight.

I'm referring to the uh, retrospectively unfortunate decision I made in 2007 to start building large scale business app frontends in AS3.

I guess I should be thankful for the work, having to rewrite everything in TS from scratch a decade later. (At least the backends didn't have to be torn down).

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by tomaytotomato »

yuvadam wrote: post #10
awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

How does Ladybird avoid Mozilla's fate? How can it be a long term sustainable project?

Its easy to avoid the fate of Mozilla, don't get involved and distracted by lots of side projects.

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Past-projects

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