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Impossibly thin fabric could cool you down by 16-plus degrees

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Re: Impossibly thin fabric could cool you down by 16-plus degrees

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Uhh, there are consequences to ingesting colloidal silver, if you look it up.

Sure, at _really_ high doses anything can become toxic. And we're talking about multiple grams of silver, enough to cause skin staining.

A lot less than that if inhaled thread bits get into your lungs.

Re: Impossibly thin fabric could cool you down by 16-plus degrees

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The article was written for an American audience. I feel like if you went to a French article and it said "12 degrees" you would know to convert that to Fahrenheit, if you needed. And that's an even less common situation than second-language English speakers ending up on American articles.

That's a weak defense when its obviously beneficial for marketing to claim 16 of X, instead of 8 improvement. Which at the end isn't even that if I understood the claims correctly. 95% of the world population uses Celsius scale, all scientists and military use it too, and ignoring units when having bombastic claims is either negligence or more probably on purpose. I am pretty sure the team (and subsequently company/c…

It’s an American website, not a scientific paper. You see British publications using “stone,” when talking about body weight. Indian websites talk about “lakh” If you’re unhappy with the article, feel free to write your own. An American website has no obligation to cater to foreign audiences any more than a French website should be giving values in dollars or degrees Fahrenheit.

Forget the idiom and focus on the content itself.

Re: Impossibly thin fabric could cool you down by 16-plus degrees

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The article was written for an American audience. I feel like if you went to a French article and it said "12 degrees" you would know to convert that to Fahrenheit, if you needed. And that's an even less common situation than second-language English speakers ending up on American articles.

I also think there is not much more effort to type °C than °F, unless the writer isn't familiar with the topic. (The article does include both units. It is only the title trying to be sensationalist)

But why? Does a French website use American units? It’s not that hard for them either right?

Re: Impossibly thin fabric could cool you down by 16-plus degrees

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The article was written for an American audience. I feel like if you went to a French article and it said "12 degrees" you would know to convert that to Fahrenheit, if you needed. And that's an even less common situation than second-language English speakers ending up on American articles.

How come specifically American, and how'd you reach that conclusion from glancing at the site? A huge number of people speak English as a second language. Usually the notation follows the number, so it's kind of lazy to just say it's written for americans specifically - moreso as a counter to someone saying it's Farenheit instead of Celcius since I also clicked immediately thinking how is that possible.

> How come specifically American, and how'd you reach that conclusion from glancing at the site?

It's a very popular publication in the United States and is a US company.

> A huge number of people speak English as a second language.

Yes, and if they're reading native articles, they're most certainly from the context of a small group of countries. It's not those nations' responsibility to make their articles accessible to every other nation simply because English is the most common second-language in the world.

> Usually the notation follows the number, so it's kind of lazy to just say it's written for americans specifically

I'm in France at this moment and haven't lived in the US for over half a decade. I've never once seen a Celsius-based nation put "15c", nor any non-english publication do so. They write for their audiences, the same as American, British, Canadian, etc publications do.

> moreso as a counter to someone saying it's Farenheit instead of Celcius since I also clicked immediately thinking how is that possible.

Correct. The publication is written for Americans and is done so from that context. The scientific paper it is discussing is much more specific, as it should be.

Re: Impossibly thin fabric could cool you down by 16-plus degrees

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How come specifically American, and how'd you reach that conclusion from glancing at the site? A huge number of people speak English as a second language. Usually the notation follows the number, so it's kind of lazy to just say it's written for americans specifically - moreso as a counter to someone saying it's Farenheit instead of Celcius since I also clicked immediately thinking how is that possible.

> how'd you reach that conclusion from glancing at the site? The first clue is the date, which is mm—dd-yyyy, only really used in the US. Also, while not “from glancing”, the article speaks in the context of heat in US cities. But yes, the author is likely taking for granted that non-US residents would read the article.

> But yes, the author is likely taking for granted that non-US residents would read the article.

Why should they need to? Should French journalists account for French-speaking Americans? What about German, Nigerian and Chinese ones?

The only reason this argument ever comes up is because English is the most common second-language spoken. American, British, Aussie, etc journalists have no more moral or reasonable responsibility to account for non-native/foreign audiences than any other nationalities do.

If you want to read a foreign publication, it's on you to deal with their local norms.

Re: Impossibly thin fabric could cool you down by 16-plus degrees

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If something is good for public health or safety, the best way to deploy it is to start selling it now.

Exponential growth of production rates means that every day, month, or year you delay is many thousands or millions of units not produced.

If you care about public safety and health, your best route is to find a way to align it with something profitable. That’s just the truth.

Re: Impossibly thin fabric could cool you down by 16-plus degrees

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I'm suspicious that perhaps silver nanowires might be a health risk? I believe finely-divided silver can be toxic, at least in some circumstances. Also, it's a composite with a plastic material, and would probably resist all attempts to recycle it, resulting eventually in microplastics (contaminated with metallic silver).

silver has been used for a while in antimicrobial fabrics, to my knowledge it's pretty safe

Something that kills cells on contact doesn’t sound particularly safe.

Re: Impossibly thin fabric could cool you down by 16-plus degrees

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I'm suspicious that perhaps silver nanowires might be a health risk? I believe finely-divided silver can be toxic, at least in some circumstances. Also, it's a composite with a plastic material, and would probably resist all attempts to recycle it, resulting eventually in microplastics (contaminated with metallic silver).

I am concerned about all kinds of nanowires. If they are sufficiently strong, they should be able to damage your lungs in the exact same way that asbestos does. Not through a chemical reaction, but a mechanical process that damages cells. The damage makes it easier to mutate. Which creates a long-term potential for cancer. Silver nanowires should not be as strong as carbon nanotubes. But are they stronger than cell w…

Do you mean cell membranes? Animals such as humans do not have cell walls outside of their cell membranes like many bacteria, plants, fungi etc.

Re: Impossibly thin fabric could cool you down by 16-plus degrees

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The article was written for an American audience. I feel like if you went to a French article and it said "12 degrees" you would know to convert that to Fahrenheit, if you needed. And that's an even less common situation than second-language English speakers ending up on American articles.

That's a weak defense when its obviously beneficial for marketing to claim 16 of X, instead of 8 improvement. Which at the end isn't even that if I understood the claims correctly. 95% of the world population uses Celsius scale, all scientists and military use it too, and ignoring units when having bombastic claims is either negligence or more probably on purpose. I am pretty sure the team (and subsequently company/c…

> 95% of the world population uses Celsius scale, all scientists and military use it too, and ignoring units when having bombastic claims is either negligence or more probably on purpose.

The article is written for an American layman audience. The scientific publication it is discussing uses specific terms, as it should. You would know this if you read passed the headline instead of knee-jerk complaining about "Americans wrong".

> I am pretty sure the team (and subsequently company/companies) behind it is not limiting itself strictly to US market and willingly ignoring rest of the world, when there are countries with much bigger heat issues than US.

FastCompany is an American publication and American company. Their audience is most certainly American. The fact that non-Americans can read it is no more important than French-speaking Americans being able to read Le Monde; a publication that also doesn't bother converting or specifying terms for a non-French audience.

Re: Impossibly thin fabric could cool you down by 16-plus degrees

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silver has been used for a while in antimicrobial fabrics, to my knowledge it's pretty safe

Something that kills cells on contact doesn’t sound particularly safe.

Like alcohol or oxygen?
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