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Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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keiferski wrote: post #35
ninjaoxygen wrote: post #22

It may be an unpopular opinion, but I suspect treating juveniles with kid gloves all the time and the popularization of the view that they are entitled not be exposed to anything that may upset or offend them has lead to less personal resilience. The social media environment does also mean that when subjected to bullying it is amplified by a massive factor that previous generations were not exposed to, so the change…

Yeah I think this is definitely a part of it. The average kid living in NYC a century or two ago was exposed to many more repulsive things on a daily basis than anything social media can come up with today. What's changed is that the expectation of "dealing with it" has evaporated.

> The average kid living in NYC a century or two ago was exposed to many more repulsive things on a daily basis than anything social media can come up with today.

I don’t even need a citation here, I’m just curious what you’re imaging when you say this.

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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Post by simonsarris »

hnthrowaway0328 wrote: post #30
epolanski wrote: post #20

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I gave private math lessons for more than two decades. I can't speak about self harm, but them kids got in couple of years around a decade ago insanely unable to focus. They were consistently distracted. Adults who use lots of internet in general (regardless of socials) are the same. Applies to my girlfriend (she changed a lot since she started working behind a computer) and I have to admit to myself (which is why I…

Sadly internet is an inseparable part of modern IT slave. Sometimes I wish there is a special prison that admits people who wants to achieve something but are too distracted to do so. It doesn't have Internet, nor does it have smart devices. It doesn't allow them out until they achieve the objectives. I'd be happy to buy its service.

its kind of unbelievable to call someone who works in an office setting a modern slave, of any sort.

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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Post by keiferski »

relaxing wrote: post #61
keiferski wrote: post #35

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Yeah I think this is definitely a part of it. The average kid living in NYC a century or two ago was exposed to many more repulsive things on a daily basis than anything social media can come up with today. What's changed is that the expectation of "dealing with it" has evaporated.

> The average kid living in NYC a century or two ago was exposed to many more repulsive things on a daily basis than anything social media can come up with today. I don’t even need a citation here, I’m just curious what you’re imaging when you say this.

Jacob Riis exposed a lot of these things:

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jacob-riis/riis-and-reform.html

The amount of filth, trash, disease, and other unpleasant things used to be pretty crazy in NYC (and in other places like London or Paris, for that matter.)

https://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/when-new-yorkers-l...

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keiferski wrote: post #60
relaxing wrote: post #59

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You’re not tougher if you’re harming yourself or others to cope.

The idea that everyone prior to contemporary times was harming themselves or others to cope is nonsense.

I think we’re talking about some sort of population average. A median New Yorker.

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keiferski wrote: post #63
relaxing wrote: post #61

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> The average kid living in NYC a century or two ago was exposed to many more repulsive things on a daily basis than anything social media can come up with today. I don’t even need a citation here, I’m just curious what you’re imaging when you say this.

Jacob Riis exposed a lot of these things: https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jacob-riis/riis-and-reform.html The amount of filth, trash, disease, and other unpleasant things used to be pretty crazy in NYC (and in other places like London or Paris, for that matter.) https://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/when-new-yorkers-l...

Trash in the street doesn’t seem psychologically damaging in the same way as social media telling you you’re worthless if you don’t do XYZ?

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Post by keiferski »

relaxing wrote: post #65
keiferski wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jacob Riis exposed a lot of these things: https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jacob-riis/riis-and-reform.html The amount of filth, trash, disease, and other unpleasant things used to be pretty crazy in NYC (and in other places like London or Paris, for that matter.) https://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/when-new-yorkers-l...

Trash in the street doesn’t seem psychologically damaging in the same way as social media telling you you’re worthless if you don’t do XYZ?

Are you familiar with how squalid the conditions were for many people in the early 20th century? It was a whole lot worse than "trash in the street." More like, animals rotting in the street, ten people living in a studio apartment with no windows or fresh air, diseases widespread, people working 15 hour days in brutal conditions, etc.

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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justaman wrote: post #14
01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #10

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There is a major political party in the US wanting to dismantle education https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

Well the education system certainly needs attention and a refactoring. I don't think anyone can dispute that. The details of what the end goal looks like vary wildly based on who you talk to.

“Refactoring”… I beg you, stop conceptualizing fixing social problems as moving blocks of code around.

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subjectsigma wrote: post #16
01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #10

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There is a major political party in the US wanting to dismantle education https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

Disgusting and scary as it is, this is in no way part of the mainstream GOP

The Heritage foundation is absolutely the mainstream GOP.

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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Post by hnthrowaway0328 »

simonsarris wrote: post #62
hnthrowaway0328 wrote: post #30

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Sadly internet is an inseparable part of modern IT slave. Sometimes I wish there is a special prison that admits people who wants to achieve something but are too distracted to do so. It doesn't have Internet, nor does it have smart devices. It doesn't allow them out until they achieve the objectives. I'd be happy to buy its service.

its kind of unbelievable to call someone who works in an office setting a modern slave, of any sort.

Would a pair of double quotes make it better? It's more or less just a metaphor.

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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Post by senordevnyc »

hnthrowaway0328 wrote: post #69
simonsarris wrote: post #62

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its kind of unbelievable to call someone who works in an office setting a modern slave, of any sort.

Would a pair of double quotes make it better? It's more or less just a metaphor.

It's an exceptionally terrible one.
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