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Japanese words and names sound African (2022)

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Re: Japanese words and names sound African (2022)

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Because the Bantu languages (most prominently: Swahili) and Japanese have similar sound systems. Finnish is also oddly similar-sounding, or Hawaiian. None of them are actually related. It's because the syllable is restricted in the number of possible forms, in a similar way. (And they all have approximately five vowels. And a pitch accent.) In Hawaiian, nothing but consonant + vowel syllables are possible. Swahili an…

Just curious: what path lead you to know this stuff?

Re: Japanese words and names sound African (2022)

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As a speaker of Scandinavian languages, literally none of the vowels in English map correctly to how we pronounce the same vowels. Several of the English vowels are diphthongs, which we spell out with double vowels. Like eng. "i" is our "ai", eng. "a" is our "ei" - "a bridge" is translated to "ei bro", where the articles are pronounced exactly the same. Or the Scottish word for home, "hame", is pronounced exactly lik…

English vowels are weird compared to most continental European languages, to be fair.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift

Re: Japanese words and names sound African (2022)

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When viewing my resume, my name, Ayo Ijidakinro (Nigerian), is often mistaken for Japanese. Especially because I had on my resume that I speak some Japanese. When I show up for the interview there is surprise. The syllables are identical. A-yo I-ji-da-kin-ro ア-ヨ イ-ジ-ダ-キ-ン-ロ Have always found it interesting.

Ayo Edebiri has it easier I'm guessing; her last name sounds less ethnically ambiguous I'd say.

Re: Japanese words and names sound African (2022)

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As a speaker of Scandinavian languages, literally none of the vowels in English map correctly to how we pronounce the same vowels. Several of the English vowels are diphthongs, which we spell out with double vowels. Like eng. "i" is our "ai", eng. "a" is our "ei" - "a bridge" is translated to "ei bro", where the articles are pronounced exactly the same. Or the Scottish word for home, "hame", is pronounced exactly lik…

English vowels are weird compared to most continental European languages, to be fair.

I'm a native Greek speaker and to my ears all European languages' vowels are weird with the exception of Spanish, which is completely normal. All those airy sounds: caaat dooog, haaaaouse, taaaaime, etc like a little fish trying to eat a much bigger fish. Let me not start with French, or Italian. Conversely, when I hear myself or another Greek speaker speak English it's like there's a little guillotine in the back of the neck that snaps shut just when a vowel is starting to form: c't, d'g, ta'm, etc.

Re: Japanese words and names sound African (2022)

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That's a good point. Latin letters map to a big number of IPA sounds. I think this is specially true with consonants. Vowels, however, might be the same. For example, Spanish has five vowels (a, e, i, o, u in IPA). Japanese also has five IPA vowels and only the "u" is different in IPA

As a speaker of Scandinavian languages, literally none of the vowels in English map correctly to how we pronounce the same vowels. Several of the English vowels are diphthongs, which we spell out with double vowels. Like eng. "i" is our "ai", eng. "a" is our "ei" - "a bridge" is translated to "ei bro", where the articles are pronounced exactly the same. Or the Scottish word for home, "hame", is pronounced exactly lik…

Scotland and Ireland were known to recieve social visits from scandinavians. So there could be a reason behind that.

Re: Japanese words and names sound African (2022)

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>His lexicostatistical analysis found that less than 30 percent of the similar-sounding words between Plateau State languages and China’s Sino-Tibetan languages share similar meanings. Linguists call these kinds of similarities "accidental evidence."

Ok, but that's still a very high percentage. Shouldn't that be surprising?

Re: Japanese words and names sound African (2022)

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That's interesting. From an English perspective katakana (a system for writing words foreign to Japan, which can't write English very well) seems broken, but I guess from what you say that it's probably effective for most languages

It may be "broken" in the sense that it's not accurate to the original language in orthography or pronunciation, but it's great because it's internally consistent for speakers of Japanese. I can look at any foreign word in katakana and instantly know how to pronounce it in a way that is intelligible to other people in the language I'm speaking: Japanese. Even with the way English does it for other languages that use…

Fair - English's orthography is definitely worse.

Re: Japanese words and names sound African (2022)

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I don't know IPA, but Japanese e and Spanish e are also different. Spanish e is like English A in "ace", Japanese e is closer to English "eh".

That's the difference between [e] and [ɛ] in IPA (in IPA, with "narrow" phonetic transcription, you enclose the sounds in brackets). In American English, "ace" is [eɪs] and "mess" is [mɛs]. But I don't think that's right; I'm pretty sure both the Japanese e and Spanish e sound exactly the same. And if you pronounced [e] and [ɛ] to native speakers of either Spanish or Japanese, they most likely wouldn't be able to dif…

>they most likely wouldn't be able to differentiate the two sounds consistently without having had training

I learn English since I was pretty young, I believe I'm quite fluent (I mostly use English for work, I lived for two years in an English speaking country, I read books in English, etc), and I still have problems distinguishing some English vowels. I think sound acquisition is one of the hardest things to learn for a non-native speaker.

Re: Japanese words and names sound African (2022)

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Then there are real coincidences, like 'Muratori', which is both an Italian name [1] (Casey Muratori) and a real (though somewhat rare) Japanese name. [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muratori [2] https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=muratori+%E6%9D%91%E9%B3%A...

TIL. Just assumed it's more likely a "cool" pseudonym, considering a common fascination with everything Japanese in the nerd circles, than a diverse heritage. Turns out it's neither.
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