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Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by rpmisms »

roenxi wrote: post #41
Larrikin wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you aren't in the cult of personality, a lot of people need to justify it at this point. I have no interest in buying a Tesla unless he divests fully. Everyone else seems to be catching up without lying about their projected capabilities and I don't need an EV today. I don't want to give him any more money than he has.

How many CEOs & owners have you vetted when making purchases? CEOs are a pretty shady crew as a class of people; it attracts people who like power and they are the dangerous ones. Or people who are single-minded in their focus and they tend to come with a raft of unusual views and personalities. And even after vetting, you're probably just biasing your purchases in favour of CEOs who do image management rather than p…

I mean, Mary Barra is a generally distasteful person, and I refuse to buy any GM product. Those two facts aren't related, but still.

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by cheeseface »

erulabs wrote: post #45
mg wrote: post #37

I think a good indicator if it is useful or not is to look at how much it is actually used. Tesla published a chart of cumulative miles driven over time on page 8 of their latest quarterly update: https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/... So far, I'm not sure what to make of it. The chart looks somewhat exponential. But since they brought more and more cars onto the road, one would expect expone…

Around then they rolled out a change that I hate, which was to remove cruise control and replace it with self-driving. Previously “one tap” was cruise, two was self-drive. Now it’s right into self-drive. I assume that increased hours significantly.

So for the real idea of how things are going, we would need a graph of also the total cruise miles (for FSD enabled Teslas). But this change was definitely done in order to get more easy miles for FSD testing, not UX.

It’s also not an accident that the trial went live shortly before Q2 numbers. Eager to see how the graph looks like in the next report (or if it is omitted completely).

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Post by [deleted] »

monkfish328 wrote: post #60
ThereIsNoWorry wrote: post #48

Almost a decade ago I used to be a hyped up HS graduate fully spoon-fed the AI hype bubble (after 2012, the first "deep" learning breakthroughs for image classification started hyping the game up). I studied at a top 5 university for CS and specialised in deep learning. Three years ago I finished, rejected a (some would call "prestigious") PhD offer and was thoroughly let down by how "stupid" AI is. For the last 2-is…

Or perhaps statistics is reasoning generalised? E.T. Jayne's classic on this makes the case, I'd encourage reading the first chapter - https://www.amazon.com/Probability-Theory-Science-T-Jaynes/d... .

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Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by hankman86 »

They should teach Tesla’s “autopilot” (and its FSD upgrade) in business schools. Turns out you can sustainably push up company valuation on vapourware. You have to wonder if Tesla’s autonomous driving technology was actually ever meant to turn into a product. Or whether it is mostly a tool to justify the lofty Tesla stock price. I very much doubt that it is technologically ahead of its competitors.

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Post by eecc »

mg wrote: post #37

I think a good indicator if it is useful or not is to look at how much it is actually used. Tesla published a chart of cumulative miles driven over time on page 8 of their latest quarterly update: https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/... So far, I'm not sure what to make of it. The chart looks somewhat exponential. But since they brought more and more cars onto the road, one would expect expone…

Well if their sales grow exponentially you might be correct, but I’m not sure that’s the case.

I’ve seen some pretty impressive videos on this channel: https://youtube.com/@aidrivrclips?si=dYOXOhn5cdGDpWmh

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Post by mvdtnz »

sneak wrote: post #11

> I’ve had a Model Y for more than 3 years now, well before Elon revealed himself as the kind of person he really is, and I’ve been happy with it. > When I buy my next car, my requirements will be simple: I want an EV, an extensive charger network along I-80, and an autosteer that’s at least as good as what I have today. Let’s hope there’ll be decent Tesla alternatives by then. Gee, I wonder if this is going to be an…

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Post by what-the-grump »

stefanve wrote: post #51
Onavo wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pre 12.5 stack uses traditional C++ conditionals together with computer vision for highway driving. 12.5 and after is the a single stack setup (at least that's what Musk claims). The 12.3.6 (or the 12.4.1 that's being trialed right now) is pretty much the current production state of the art for Tesla street level (not highway) single stack self driving where the steering commands are directly issued by the neural…

While it sounds impressive from a technical point of view it doesn’t say anything about how much better it is or if it is now truly full self driving.

It’s about as shit as the 300k lines of c code. Added with drink spilling acceleration in 12.3.6 for no reason at all.

There are major improvements in taking a curve and not scaring the shit out of the driver, much faster basic turn right on stop sign, lane changes when it does it, it’s hard to describe just how smooth they are it’s a little nuts the car just floats over it’s not human, but it really should not have changed lane most of the time… so decision logic is shit. Etc.

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Post by vsuperpower2020 »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #55
roenxi wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many CEOs & owners have you vetted when making purchases? CEOs are a pretty shady crew as a class of people; it attracts people who like power and they are the dangerous ones. Or people who are single-minded in their focus and they tend to come with a raft of unusual views and personalities. And even after vetting, you're probably just biasing your purchases in favour of CEOs who do image management rather than p…

"It is better to be silent and be thought a sociopathic fascist, than to speak and remove all doubt!" -- Mark Twain

"sociopathic fascist" wasn't on my redditer bingo card today.

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Post by ENGNR »

How does Tesla FSD fair against the Waymo self driving taxis?

I'm curious about whether self driving is still an impossible task right now, or if it's just a matter of quality between companies - in which case it's possibly a fair bet being made by Telsa execs that they'll bridge the gap given time and money.

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