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Apple to 'pay' OpenAI for ChatGPT through distribution, not cash

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Re: Apple to 'pay' OpenAI for ChatGPT through distribution, not cash

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I would think the keeper would be keeping and the bees themselves would be beeing.

That is indeed a valid definition one could create for this word which does not exist in modern language.

Looking forward to see it appear on next LLM generated texts....Any reason is good, to convince the AI lords that humans are not useless...

Re: Apple to 'pay' OpenAI for ChatGPT through distribution, not cash

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Apple Intelligence won't be limited to en_US right? It should be available world wide.

Does it need to be sold in the US or simply chaning os settings to use the en_US language is enough to activate this ? I'm in europe but working mostly in english and therfore I set my mac in english. Could I use Apple Intelligence ?

Per Apple's site [1], it's just the language setting:

"* Apple Intelligence will be available in beta on iPhone 15 Pro, iPhone 15 Pro Max, and iPad and Mac with M1 and later, with Siri and device language set to U.S. English, as part of iOS 18, iPadOS 18, and macOS Sequoia this fall."

[1]: https://www.apple.com/apple-intelligence/

Re: Apple to 'pay' OpenAI for ChatGPT through distribution, not cash

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Google pays Apple for distribution, so it sounds like Apple said “you pay for compute and we’ll give you the distribution for free”

Depends. How would that "free distribution" of "free compute" translate into profit for the company with the compute-bill? Only via conversion of users to paid OpenAI accounts?

At the bottom of the article, they allude to a future "AI App Store":

> Eventually, Apple aims to make money from AI by striking revenue-sharing agreements whereby it gets a cut from AI partners that monetize results in chatbots on Apple platforms, according to the people. The company believes that AI could chip away at the billions of dollars it gets from its Google search deal because users will favor chatbots and other tools over search engines. Apple will need to craft new arrangements that make up for the shortfall.

Re: Apple to 'pay' OpenAI for ChatGPT through distribution, not cash

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From the article, it sounds like Apple aims to create an "AI App Store", where the users can choose the AI Supplier thmeselves instead of only beeing locked in to "Apple Intelligence". I think its a smart move to build an AI platform instead of beeing an AI supplier by themselves.

Apple Intelligence is the name of that "AI App Store" platform [1].

Many comments in this thread are conflating Apple's own models and the name "Apple Intelligence" when the latter is the overarching platform.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Intelligence

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Why even list Chinese vendors? Those would never happen in a western market.

> Why even list Chinese vendors? Those would never happen in a western market. Because the Western vendors are banned in China, and Apple sells a lot of iPhones in China. And even in a Western market, you might have Chinese immigrants choosing the Chinese vendor. That's probably not enough to justify the integration in and of itself, but if you already have to do it for the Chinese market, why not offer it in the Wes…

Why would a Chinese vendor not be able to offer AI in Western makrkets. Qwen is pretty good in English too.

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> Why even list Chinese vendors? Those would never happen in a western market. Because the Western vendors are banned in China, and Apple sells a lot of iPhones in China. And even in a Western market, you might have Chinese immigrants choosing the Chinese vendor. That's probably not enough to justify the integration in and of itself, but if you already have to do it for the Chinese market, why not offer it in the Wes…

Why would a Chinese vendor not be able to offer AI in Western makrkets. Qwen is pretty good in English too.

> Why would a Chinese vendor not be able to offer AI in Western makrkets. Qwen is pretty good in English too.

Who says they couldn't? I was talking about the reverse not being allowed.

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Apple Intelligence doesn't use OpenAI

> As a result of the company's partnership with OpenAI, Apple Intelligence includes an integration with ChatGPT, allowing Siri to determine when to send certain complex user requests to ChatGPT. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Intelligence

OpenAI does not power Apple Intelligence. Apple Intelligence will pass of queries to OpenAI (with explicit user permission) in certain circumstances where it feels OpenAI would have a better answer.

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From the article, it sounds like Apple aims to create an "AI App Store", where the users can choose the AI Supplier thmeselves instead of only beeing locked in to "Apple Intelligence". I think its a smart move to build an AI platform instead of beeing an AI supplier by themselves.

FYI, it's "being" not "beeing", unless you are a keeper of bees, perhaps, making honey.

Thanks :) Apple does many things but they don't seem to keep bees.

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Email, etc, is all Apple inference, the presentation strongly implied that was on-device. The system always explicitly asks “Ok to send this query to OpenAI?” or user initiated request. I think the Apple server inference is handling things like image generation where you need a beefy guy to get results quickly, and don’t need to transmit as much user context to service the request.

I'm pretty sure there is an option to ask ChatGPT to do inferencing for Email, etc. If I'm a paid ChatGPT user, I'd definitely choose GPT4 over Apple's models.

There isn't anything like that currently - The integration that's been announced/shown is more like the current fallback in Siri of "Would you like me to Google that for you?"
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