I just need Apple to be clearly indicating which settings will completely disable this.
Some for now, none in the future I fear.
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#62IMO this really feels like the Facebook / Twitter integration from early iOS. That only lasted a few years. Apple clearly thinks it needs a dedicated LLM service atm. But still thinks it is only supplemental as they handle a bunch of the core stuff without it. And require explicit user consent to use OpenAI. And Apple clearly views it as a partial commodity since they even said they plan to add others. Tough to bet a…
There’s a lot I don’t like about Sam Altman. There’s a lot I don’t like about OpenAI. But goddamn they absolutely leapfrogged Google and Apple and it’s completely amazing to see these trillion dollar companies play catch-up with a start-up. I want to see more of this. Big Tech has been holding back innovation for too long.
They "leapfrogged" Google on providing a natural language interface to the world knowledge we'd gotten used to retrieving throug web search. But Apple's never done more than toyed in that space.
Apple's focus has long been on a lifestyle product experience across their portfolio of hardware, and Apple Intelligence appears to be focused exactly on that in a way that has little overlap with OpenAI's offerings. The partnership agreement announced today is just outsourcing an accessory tool to a popular and suitably scaled vendor, the same as they did for web search and social network integration in the past. Nobody's leapfrogging anybody between these two because they're on totally different paths.
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#63> The ChatGPT integration, powered by GPT-4o , will come to iOS, iPadOS, and macOS later this year. Jensen Huang must be having the time of his life right now. Nvidia's relationship with Apple went from pariah to prodigal son, real fast.
Not sure Nvidia is too happy with Apple.
They are the first ones to ship on-device inference at scale on non-nvidia hardware. Apple also has the means to build data center training hardware using apple silicon if they want to do so.
If they are serious about the OAI partnership they could also start to supply them with cloud inference hardware and strongarm them into only using apple servers to serve iOS requests.
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#64Signs of healthy competition and certainly no reason to claim a tech monopoly.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Plus even if Apple is using their own chips for inferencing, they're still driving more demand for training, which Nvidia still has locked down pretty tight.
Apple said they’re using their own silicon for training. Edit: unless I misunderstood and they meant only inference.
without more details hard to say, but i seriously doubt they trained any significantly large LM on their own hardware
people on HN routinely seem to overestimate Apple's capabilities
e: in fact, iirc just last month Apple released a paper unveiling their 'OpenElm' language models and they were all trained on nvidia hardware
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#66> Privacy protections are built in when accessing ChatGPT within Siri and Writing Tools—requests are not stored by OpenAI, and users’ IP addresses are obscured.
Does anybody believe Apple will not be able to know who sent a given request, and that OpenAI won't be able to use the data in the request for more or less anything they want? I read statements like this and just flat-out don't believe them anymore.
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#67I still don't know a single person who wants this crap. I don't want "AI" in my web browser, I don't want it in my email client, I don't want it on my phone, I just don't want it. And it feels like everyone I speak to agrees! So who is this all for?
Me! I’m dumping text I write into an LLM all-day to help with editing. And I often start brainstorming / research by opening ChatGPT in voice mode, talk to it and keep a browser open at the same time to fact-check the output.
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#68My biggest disappointment was that Apple said nothing about leveraging GPT-4 to improve voice recognition in iMessage. Voice recognition of ChatGPT is incredibly accurate when compared to iOS. ChatGPT almost never gets anything wrong, while iMessage/iOS voice recognition is extremely frustrating.
So much so that I sometimes dictate to ChatGPT then cut & paste into iMessage.
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#69> The ChatGPT integration, powered by GPT-4o , will come to iOS, iPadOS, and macOS later this year. Jensen Huang must be having the time of his life right now. Nvidia's relationship with Apple went from pariah to prodigal son, real fast.
Not sure Nvidia is too happy with Apple. They are the first ones to ship on-device inference at scale on non-nvidia hardware. Apple also has the means to build data center training hardware using apple silicon if they want to do so. If they are serious about the OAI partnership they could also start to supply them with cloud inference hardware and strongarm them into only using apple servers to serve iOS requests.
> Apple also has the means to build data center training hardware using apple silicon if they want to do so.
i'm seeing people all over this thread saying stuff like that, it reads like fantasyland to me. Apple doesn't have the talent or the chips or suppliers or really any of the capabilities to do this, where are people getting it from?
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#70IMO this really feels like the Facebook / Twitter integration from early iOS. That only lasted a few years. Apple clearly thinks it needs a dedicated LLM service atm. But still thinks it is only supplemental as they handle a bunch of the core stuff without it. And require explicit user consent to use OpenAI. And Apple clearly views it as a partial commodity since they even said they plan to add others. Tough to bet a…
Actually, just in three to five years, lots of "AI boxes" and those magical sparkling icons next to input fields summoning AI would be silently removed. LLMs are not accurate, they aren't subject matter experts that'll be maybe within 5% error margin. People will gradually learn and discover anf the cost of keeping a model updated and running won't drastically reduce so we'll most likely see dust settling down.
How do you define a percent error margin on the typical output of something like ChatGPT? IIRC the image generation folks have started using metrics like subjective users ratings because this stuff is really difficult to quantify objectively.