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Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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I've been a Windows user since 3.1, but this was the straw for me. They have always provided an OS that just worked for my home needs, even with the creeping privacy invasions in the last update. I've been dual booting for a while and last weekend I went full Linux at home. My day job revolves around being truly good at solving Windows issues, and I will happily continue doing that, but at home I'm still just liking…

Any Recs? i've just gotten a Kubuntu image. I am thinking if i dual boot that and SteamOS i should have everything i want covered.

No reason to use SteamOS, it's just immutable Arch with an A/B partition scheme. Modern SteamOS is designed specifically for the Steam Deck and they only ship it as a recovery image for the Deck.

You can install Steam on whatever distribution you want, I use the Flatpak, and just enable Proton in the compatibility settings.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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post #7

On LinkedIn someone in my network pointed out that, apart from the security and privacy disaster, the name Recall was a bad choice because of negative events like product recall.

"Total Recall", aka "We Can Remember It For You Wholesale"

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will be re-enabled accidentally by an update anyways.

Please stop with these kinds of made up fantasy scenarios. There's no such thing as "accidental enablement" for stuff like this, as if it's a switch every employee at Microsoft has access to, and one of them one day can end up flipping by accident with their elbow and it ends up in production without anyone else noticing. Either they decide to intentionally enable it or not. There are no accidents , when stuff like t…

I'm not sure the use of 'accidentally' was sincere. But I like this choice of words in your post in your first version:

> unmercenary assumptions

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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All I can say is LOL. Off by default for Windows 11 24H2, on by default in Windows 11 25H2, impossible to disable in Windows 11 26H2 (except in enterprise versions of course). Microsoft's history with respecting the user's wishes speaks for itself.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> normal user > use Rufus to create your installation usb Pick one. "Normal" users don't use specialized software to create installation media. They boot the laptop with the OS already installed and go on from there.

I mostly agree, but installing Windows is not as daunting of a task as it used to be. It is also not uncommon for 'normal' gamers to use a custom built PC which would require installing Windows. Maybe normal is the wrong word, but it would be a pretty quick and easy to understand guide to do this.

Normal gamers aren’t representative of normal users on a whole. Gamers are just a tiny fraction of the overall user base. Normal users buy cheap-ass laptops with their manufacturers’ opinionated Windows installation, including boatloads of bloatware. And they don’t ever change any of the defaults.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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post #58

It's interesting to compare this to the Chrome/Safari/Edge browsing history, which is stored in an unencrypted SQLite database, and tracks what you do for the last 90 days. It's just a bit less visual, Incognito/Private modes work, and some users clear it more often. But a whole lot of the surveillance attacks people imagine about Recall apply just the same to the browser. I think it's the "little brother" casual att…

Browsing history doesn't contain what's displayed on the page, and what you input into the input boxes, or POST requests. It's sorta like telephone metadata.

On the other hand, I am always freaked out by Chrome extensions that "can read and change your data on all websites". Can't they have more granular permissions? You gotta have a lot of trust for those extensions LMAO. They can read your bank passwords, probably!! And if they are ever sold...

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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post #58

It's interesting to compare this to the Chrome/Safari/Edge browsing history, which is stored in an unencrypted SQLite database, and tracks what you do for the last 90 days. It's just a bit less visual, Incognito/Private modes work, and some users clear it more often. But a whole lot of the surveillance attacks people imagine about Recall apply just the same to the browser. I think it's the "little brother" casual att…

Yeah, I think this entire debate is uninformed hysteria and manufactured outrage. "If an attacker has administrator access, they can see everything you have done on your computer!". OK? That has literally always been the case? "Attacker is root" is game over and always has been. The original writeup from DoublePulsar tried to justify that Recall is somehow different from other such scenarios, but I found it totally unconvincing.

I think it's the right move to have it off by default, but I'm just not convinced by the outrage here.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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post #58

It's interesting to compare this to the Chrome/Safari/Edge browsing history, which is stored in an unencrypted SQLite database, and tracks what you do for the last 90 days. It's just a bit less visual, Incognito/Private modes work, and some users clear it more often. But a whole lot of the surveillance attacks people imagine about Recall apply just the same to the browser. I think it's the "little brother" casual att…

Yeah, I think this entire debate is uninformed hysteria and manufactured outrage. "If an attacker has administrator access, they can see everything you have done on your computer!". OK? That has literally always been the case? "Attacker is root" is game over and always has been. The original writeup from DoublePulsar tried to justify that Recall is somehow different from other such scenarios, but I found it totally u…

Recall FEELS like being watched. Your browser history does not.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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post #58

It's interesting to compare this to the Chrome/Safari/Edge browsing history, which is stored in an unencrypted SQLite database, and tracks what you do for the last 90 days. It's just a bit less visual, Incognito/Private modes work, and some users clear it more often. But a whole lot of the surveillance attacks people imagine about Recall apply just the same to the browser. I think it's the "little brother" casual att…

If there's AI involved, everyone's panic level skyrockets.

No one retweets "Attacker gaining root access reveals all user information", but instead "Attacker gaining root access reveals all user information collected by AI program" will go viral for sure.

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