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The big lie about sleep

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Re: The big lie about sleep

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Ok, I read the article. But I still don't know what the big lie is.

I think the big lie is that wellness companies, doctors, and sleep widget salespeople claim that you can improve your sleep with blackout curtains, less screen time, exercise, fancy tech, and a host of other strategies. But this article is saying that being healthier and richer improve your sleep more dramatically, and those are things that are not directly in your control.

All those things seem to work and most don't even trick you in any way, you get the results immediately. Blackout curtains, exercise, less screen time — all very effective strategies. A sleep schedule is another one.

It may be less effective trying to become rich or healthier without improving one's sleep schedule. Besides, the article says:

> Americans with sleep disorders earn an average of $2,500 less each year than their well-rested peers.

And 2.5k gross per annum is not a large gap to bridge. Imagine getting a $1k promotion and spending $125 less on something each month — is your sleep automatically fixed? No, it's a ridiculous idea. There is much more control we have over our sleep schedules (most of the people, there are exceptions) than our economic situation does.

People just need to take responsibility for their own actions. Being economically not as well off as someone else is just a convenient scape-goat. There will always be people richer than any other given person. That doesn't mean this given person is now barred from having a healthy sleep schedule.

While the correlation may exist, and even some small degree of causation, it is ridiculous to think that $2.5k per year extra will somehow give anyone more sleep, unless that money (after tax) is specifically going towards sleep treatments. But I think maybe less than 1% of all Americans at any given point are saving up for sleep treatments which are kept just very barely out of reach by their income. And very few Americans are in other such contrived scenarios where they really need that $2.5k to sleep well.

Re: The big lie about sleep

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post #16

>Big, structural changes such as better access to affordable healthcare, expanding income-support programs like the child tax credit, and implementing mental-health programs in schools would go a long way to ending the sleep-deprivation doom loop. Citation needed. All of these exist in some places and don't in others, in varying degrees, so in theory a study should be able to look at the effects.

this was my first thought. coming from a country that provides this, and having laws that don't allow you to work more than 48 hours a week (with overtime) helps a lot to make sure that people get enough sleep.

Re: The big lie about sleep

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post #7

Ok, I read the article. But I still don't know what the big lie is.

I think the big lie is that wellness companies, doctors, and sleep widget salespeople claim that you can improve your sleep with blackout curtains, less screen time, exercise, fancy tech, and a host of other strategies. But this article is saying that being healthier and richer improve your sleep more dramatically, and those are things that are not directly in your control.

When we moved into our current house it's the first time I'd slept in a room with roller shutters. The difference they make to a good night's sleep (for me at least) is huge.

Re: The big lie about sleep

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post #60
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very miscalculated take. Work is minimum 8 hours. Add another 2-3 hours for commuting, getting ready for work, and getting ready for being home. Add about 2 hours for cooking and clean up. So far we’re at 12-13 hours. Add at least 7 hours for sleep (and sometimes turning in bed). We’re now at 19-20 hours. Add about an hour a day of incidentals that come up (social expectations, phone calls with family, etc)…

It's not miscalculated. The calculation is exactly right. It's really about how you choose to spend that time. The time split you did isn't set in stone, you can change most of that. Don't cook for an hour, move cleaning up into the weekend. 2-3 hours is a long commute, consider remote work or getting a job closer to where you are. 8 hours is a typical office workday but other arrangements are possible from contract…

So you see, if you’re not at least middle class a lot of these options (go remote, for example. Or shorten your commute) are not realistically achievable.

Re: The big lie about sleep

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https://archive.is/2gbWb So, the lie is that you can only do so much to improve your sleep while poor and working. It comes down to being rich, not being required to work, no boss, not submit vacation days a year in advance, able to get quality healthcare whenever needed or electively wanted, have time to exercise, meditate, and eliminate any worries or concerns with money that you rarely care about the costs. There’…

> It comes down to being rich, not being required to work, no boss, not submit vacation days a year in advance, able to get quality healthcare whenever needed or electively wanted, have time to exercise, meditate, and eliminate any worries or concerns with money that you rarely care about the costs. You can have all of this and be middle class if that's what you prioritize instead of Keeping Up with the Joneses. You…

> It comes down to being rich, not being required to work, no boss

> You can have all of this and be middle class

???

Re: The big lie about sleep

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post #64
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not miscalculated. The calculation is exactly right. It's really about how you choose to spend that time. The time split you did isn't set in stone, you can change most of that. Don't cook for an hour, move cleaning up into the weekend. 2-3 hours is a long commute, consider remote work or getting a job closer to where you are. 8 hours is a typical office workday but other arrangements are possible from contract…

So you see, if you’re not at least middle class a lot of these options (go remote, for example. Or shorten your commute) are not realistically achievable.

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Re: The big lie about sleep

#67
post #30

I keep telling my kids that a vastly overlooked trick to success is going to bed earlier and getting more sleep. That and gratitude (which is why our family has evening rituals around this).

Honest question: why do you think gratitude is a trick for success? I can understand for happiness, but don't you think gratitude is often at conflict with the inner drive needed for success?

Because gratitude lowers stress levels :)

Re: The big lie about sleep

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post #64
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not miscalculated. The calculation is exactly right. It's really about how you choose to spend that time. The time split you did isn't set in stone, you can change most of that. Don't cook for an hour, move cleaning up into the weekend. 2-3 hours is a long commute, consider remote work or getting a job closer to where you are. 8 hours is a typical office workday but other arrangements are possible from contract…

So you see, if you’re not at least middle class a lot of these options (go remote, for example. Or shorten your commute) are not realistically achievable.

Some are not, but others open up. There is still personal choice.

Re: The big lie about sleep

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> meditate Meditation is free and does not take a lot of time. Anyone can meditate, nobody is too busy to have 15 or 20 minutes a day for meditation. The same goes for exercise. 1 hour is 4% of the day.

This is a very miscalculated take. Work is minimum 8 hours. Add another 2-3 hours for commuting, getting ready for work, and getting ready for being home. Add about 2 hours for cooking and clean up. So far we’re at 12-13 hours. Add at least 7 hours for sleep (and sometimes turning in bed). We’re now at 19-20 hours. Add about an hour a day of incidentals that come up (social expectations, phone calls with family, etc)…

Again, I'm sure that everyone has 10 spare minutes each day at a minimum to meditate. You can meditate even during a commute. It's your choice to make the time if it's important to you. Nobody is so busy to be unable to meditate even for 10-15 minutes.

Re: The big lie about sleep

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post #60
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very miscalculated take. Work is minimum 8 hours. Add another 2-3 hours for commuting, getting ready for work, and getting ready for being home. Add about 2 hours for cooking and clean up. So far we’re at 12-13 hours. Add at least 7 hours for sleep (and sometimes turning in bed). We’re now at 19-20 hours. Add about an hour a day of incidentals that come up (social expectations, phone calls with family, etc)…

It's not miscalculated. The calculation is exactly right. It's really about how you choose to spend that time. The time split you did isn't set in stone, you can change most of that. Don't cook for an hour, move cleaning up into the weekend. 2-3 hours is a long commute, consider remote work or getting a job closer to where you are. 8 hours is a typical office workday but other arrangements are possible from contract…

A commute of 2-3 hours means you have lots of time to meditate or read, if that's something you want to do.
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