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Carpenter's AirTags help uncover 'massive' case of stolen tools in Maryland

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Re: Carpenter's AirTags help uncover 'massive' case of stolen tools in Maryland

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In the video that shows the stolen tools in the warehouse, there are hardly any Ryobi tools (HomeDepot's cheap tool brand). This is in stark contrast to many of the recent woodworking videos on Youtube that feature craftspeople using Ryobi tools (without explicitly mentioning an HD sponsorship). The thieves know a good tool, and HD is trying to fool the rest of us that their Ryobi tools are any good.

What is the brand with the best reputation these days?

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That is a huge inventory. How do stolen tools get fenced? Sent abroad? Craigslist and FB marketplace? I've bought some used tools from online classifieds, but it always seems to be a homeowner or business owner selling one or two things.

I have no idea but I remember the Sopranos episode where Christopher's father in law owns a hardware store and sells fenced goods out of it. It's not hard, but the owner can get done for it of course.

I just read (by audiobook) two great fiction works by Colson Whitehead that include some of these ideas, Crook Manifesto then is prequel Harlem Shuffle.

Great stuff.

Re: Carpenter's AirTags help uncover 'massive' case of stolen tools in Maryland

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"But AirTags aren't for finding stolen things!", someone asserts every time someone mentions wanting to use AirTags for finding stolen things.

There has to be a shady operator somewhere with no scruples, who sees the market demand for this use-case.

Dogcow the Bounty Hunter

Re: Carpenter's AirTags help uncover 'massive' case of stolen tools in Maryland

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The roots of police departments are the paid security forces of business owners, and their values as organizations reflect this. Business owners worked with local governments to create police departments to socialize some of the cost of securing their private property; their rented homes, their warehouses, their stores. And they reflect this to this day. Individual property crime doesn't mean shit. A criminal can sel…

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What do you think Slave Patrols were...? Security to enforce private property. Slaves were property. Runaway slaves might be property that stole itself, effectively, but it's the same thing.

And also, the slave patrol link has much stronger ties in the southern states where slavery was more prominent. That's not to say it didn't happen in the north, of course it did, but it happened more in the south, the south's economy was near dependent upon both the slave trade and the massive amounts of free-at-point-of-use human labor that supplemented their agricultural industries. That's why the civil war happened and don't start with me about how it wasn't about slavery, the confederate constitution lays out in black and white (beige?) that it was absolutely, definitely about slavery. The south's economy would've utterly collapsed with total abolition.

Re: Carpenter's AirTags help uncover 'massive' case of stolen tools in Maryland

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> He called police, who got a search warrant Kind of sad, that I was surprised they did that. It's definitely a local thing. I'd expect the police to shrug, and say it's too bad, just file a report to use for insurance. I remember people saying "so what if you have tags, police won't do anything and you shouldn't be confronting thieves anyway". Apple, on the other hand, is also explicit about tags not to be used as a…

"OK, I have a gun and I'll go get my stuff myself" is not illegal to say and 100% gets police to show up. Source: tried it more than once

Not bad strategy. Though I can see, depending on their disposition them turning against you. "Oh, you have gun? Better not reach for it! Is it registered, where is it?". They could turn into assholes real fast if they feel like you're trying to force them to do something.

Re: Carpenter's AirTags help uncover 'massive' case of stolen tools in Maryland

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The roots of police departments are the paid security forces of business owners, and their values as organizations reflect this. Business owners worked with local governments to create police departments to socialize some of the cost of securing their private property; their rented homes, their warehouses, their stores. And they reflect this to this day. Individual property crime doesn't mean shit. A criminal can sel…

A common good like security should be socialized because the alternative is multiple independent groups enforcing property rights, and when they start to conflict, you get a civil war won by the person who spent the most on security. The idea that police are inherently corrupt because they developed from paid security forces ignores that the very process of development is what enshrined the rule of law over power.

I don't disagree that security should be a socialized good, it's a good idea. That doesn't change the fact that police in the United States and elsewhere were formed in the basis of law not to protect people but to protect property.

Even today courts have ruled that police are under no obligation to protect civilians from direct, inevitable harm. They are not there to protect you, they are there to protect "the peace" which can be fucking anything.

Re: Carpenter's AirTags help uncover 'massive' case of stolen tools in Maryland

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Where did you get this idea about the origins of police? It doesn’t agree with the history on Wikipedia, or my understanding of their origin (having more to do with rulers maintaining order). Corporations, and what you call ‘businesses’ are a very modern concept, long predated by rulers, courts, and police. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police

From your link >The first example of a statutory police force in the world was probably the High Constables of Edinburgh, formed in 1611 to police the streets of Edinburgh, then part of the Kingdom of Scotland. The constables, of whom half were merchants and half were craftsmen, were charged with enforcing 16 regulations relating to curfews, weapons, and theft. That sounds a lot like businesses working with governmen…

Those 'statutory police' were predated by others by thousands of years, and it seems more like the king enlisted business owners to enforce the king's laws in the city than 'paid security forces of business owners'.

Re: Carpenter's AirTags help uncover 'massive' case of stolen tools in Maryland

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> He called police, who got a search warrant Kind of sad, that I was surprised they did that. It's definitely a local thing. I'd expect the police to shrug, and say it's too bad, just file a report to use for insurance. I remember people saying "so what if you have tags, police won't do anything and you shouldn't be confronting thieves anyway". Apple, on the other hand, is also explicit about tags not to be used as a…

I am also surprised they got a warrant based on AirTag data, especially with stories like this: https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/08/us/denver-police-raid-wrong-h... I suspect there has to be more evidence than just the AirTag, but it is possible that the police used that tip to kick off an investigation that ultimately led to the warrant and search. Or they already started building a case. Based off the estimated 15,000 s…

Warrant doesn't mean they had to go all storm trooper in that situation either, that would lower the risks.

I suspect just one more data point would be pretty easy to manage, peek in a window, or even have the dude drive around the facility and see if the location was consistently reporting.

Re: Carpenter's AirTags help uncover 'massive' case of stolen tools in Maryland

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The roots of police departments are the paid security forces of business owners, and their values as organizations reflect this. Business owners worked with local governments to create police departments to socialize some of the cost of securing their private property; their rented homes, their warehouses, their stores. And they reflect this to this day. Individual property crime doesn't mean shit. A criminal can sel…

> A criminal can sell your Macbook if they like, but if they steal from Apple itself? Oh man there will be hell to pay. Where do you get the idea that there will be "hell to pay" if you steal from Apple itself? People regularly run out of Apple stores with tens of thousands of dollars worth of merchandise and never get caught.

There is an amount of theft that apple is OK with because preventing it would hurt sales and occasional theift of product they can easily brick is certainly under that limit, plus there is likelyreporting biases, as it's likely you've seen videos of it happening but when there are arrests or recoverys you havn't seen those reports.

Re: Carpenter's AirTags help uncover 'massive' case of stolen tools in Maryland

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That is a huge inventory. How do stolen tools get fenced? Sent abroad? Craigslist and FB marketplace? I've bought some used tools from online classifieds, but it always seems to be a homeowner or business owner selling one or two things.

From the article they note that some of the things they found were VERY old, sounds strange but maybe they hadn't gotten to that part / were not able to move that much stuff:

>Some were stolen as long ago as 2014

Weird situation near me, some local folks where stealing construction stuff were found not far from me and ... they found everything stolen over the course of a few years. If a generator and some tools were taken, there they were, all of them together. It appeared they straight up had no plan / active effort to sell everything.

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