A couple of historical CPU mods similar to this: - AMD K6-2+ can be converted to K6-3+ by moving a 0-ohm resistor under the IHS to unlock the full 256K of L2 cache only present on K6-3+ models. The CPUs were basically all the same and were binned into separate SKUs using the position of this resistor. - AMD K7 (Athlon XP) can be similarly unlocked by bridging conductive pads on the chip using something as common a gr…
If anybody else wonders why a 0-ohm resistor is a thing, apparently it is because it makes it possible to install a jumper on printed circuit boards with the same equipment that is used for normal resistors. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-ohm_link
Intel's anti-upgrade tricks defeated with Kapton tape
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Re: Intel's anti-upgrade tricks defeated with Kapton tape
#62What is the financial benefit to Intel in artificially limiting its CPU sockets like this? Logic and reason would have me believe they'd want to sell as many CPUs as possible, and keeping the socket compatible for as long as possible would seem logical. My thoughts on reasons they might have done this. I honestly have no idea, these are just uninformed guesses. - The Charitable Answer: There actually is some sort of…
> Logic and reason would have me believe they'd want to sell as many CPUs as possible, and keeping the socket compatible for as long as possible would seem logical. x86 market is a near monopolistic one, with two companies cornering most of the market. Monopolies can afford to sustain irrational/inefficient practices as long it helps to squeeze the consumer. I hope RISC-V succeeds in breaking this duopoly. Perhaps no…
Re: Intel's anti-upgrade tricks defeated with Kapton tape
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same goes for most cars. No real revolution, tweaks or changes due to regulatory demands, but nothing groundbreaking.
Still, when you’re due for a new car and look for the newest of the newest, would you go with manufacturer A, who released their latest car 8 years ago, or manufacturer B, who released it 1 year ago? Incremental upgrades get so much hate around the internet (mostly about phones) by people having the version before it. Saying things like “ah they changed almost nothing! Why would I upgrade?!” While for instance me, on…
For phones the mindset of people who upgrade when they have to and/or buy cheaper phones is very different from those who regularly upgrade to the latest flagship phone.
Re: Intel's anti-upgrade tricks defeated with Kapton tape
#64What is the financial benefit to Intel in artificially limiting its CPU sockets like this? Logic and reason would have me believe they'd want to sell as many CPUs as possible, and keeping the socket compatible for as long as possible would seem logical. My thoughts on reasons they might have done this. I honestly have no idea, these are just uninformed guesses. - The Charitable Answer: There actually is some sort of…
Coming of age in the 90s and witnessing the sheer audacity of greed that followed, I can tell you that the cynical answer tends to be the right one.
Re: Intel's anti-upgrade tricks defeated with Kapton tape
#65What is the financial benefit to Intel in artificially limiting its CPU sockets like this? Logic and reason would have me believe they'd want to sell as many CPUs as possible, and keeping the socket compatible for as long as possible would seem logical. My thoughts on reasons they might have done this. I honestly have no idea, these are just uninformed guesses. - The Charitable Answer: There actually is some sort of…
It costs money to validate a new processor on an old motherboard, and no corp wants to waste money on a product they have already sold.
Re: Intel's anti-upgrade tricks defeated with Kapton tape
#66What is the financial benefit to Intel in artificially limiting its CPU sockets like this? Logic and reason would have me believe they'd want to sell as many CPUs as possible, and keeping the socket compatible for as long as possible would seem logical. My thoughts on reasons they might have done this. I honestly have no idea, these are just uninformed guesses. - The Charitable Answer: There actually is some sort of…
It’s very similar to what had happened in 2006 when the 65nm Core 2 series were released in the same LGA775 package used by 90nm Pentium 4s, however the former mandated a specific VRM standard that not all comtemporary motherboards supported. Later 45nm parts pretty much required a new motherboard despite having the same socket again due to power supply issues.
AMD went the other route when they first introduced their 12 and 16 core parts to the AM4 socket. A lot of older motherboards were clearly struggling to cope with the power draw but AMD got to keep their implicit promise of all-round compatibility. Later on AMD tried to silently drop support for older motherboards when the Ryzen 5000 series were introduced but had to back down after some backlash. Unlike the blue brand they could not afford to offend the fanboys.
P.S. Despite the usual complaints, most previous Intel socket changes actually had valid technical reasons for them:
- LGA1155: Major change to integrated GPU, also fixed the weird pin assignment of LGA1156 which made board layout a major pain.
- LGA1150: Introduction of on-die voltage regulation (FIVR)
- LGA1151: Initial support for DDR4 and separate clock domains
This leaves the LGA1200 as the only example where there really isn’t any justification for its existence.
Re: Intel's anti-upgrade tricks defeated with Kapton tape
#67What is the financial benefit to Intel in artificially limiting its CPU sockets like this? Logic and reason would have me believe they'd want to sell as many CPUs as possible, and keeping the socket compatible for as long as possible would seem logical. My thoughts on reasons they might have done this. I honestly have no idea, these are just uninformed guesses. - The Charitable Answer: There actually is some sort of…
I would say that Intel is a company, not a person, and isn't motivated but directed. If the same people own both Intel and the mobo manufacturers, they win by forcing new purchases of new products primarily distinguished by a higher price. One computer owner in a thousand upgrades their processor alone, or would even know how to.
You know, it's a matter of perspective, but I'd disagree.
I think we'd like to think companies are directed, but I think as they get larger and older, especially public companies, they operate less by difection, and the systemic forces take over, and they operate and function more by the aggregate sum of all the motivations of the actors involved.
I think it's true that some companies do exist, perhaps by sheer force of personality of their leaders, that remain primarily "directed" but feel that's more the exception than the rule.
Re: Intel's anti-upgrade tricks defeated with Kapton tape
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
You rarely see those kinds of unlocks anymore unfortunately, since they started using eFuses to disable parts of the chip permanently. It still happens occasionally though, like the time when AMD decided to add a 4GB SKU alongside the originally planned 8GB SKU of one of their graphics cards so late in development that they didn't have time to actually change the hardware, so all of the initial batches had 8GB instal…
IBM servers this was the default as well. Where the difference between ram amounts on AS400 systems was a phone call to enable more.
Your mainframe is slow and IBM is going to charge you 6 hours of labor to come out for 90 minutes next Friday, or we can deal with it over the phone.
I can’t recall but did IBM use that extra hardware for physical redundancy in case of hardware failures? I know they researched letting equipment die and coming out and replacing it after multiple failures instead of single ones, but I don’t know if they applied that to shipping mainframes, to regular rackmount hardware, or just in Research.
Re: Intel's anti-upgrade tricks defeated with Kapton tape
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#70What is the financial benefit to Intel in artificially limiting its CPU sockets like this? Logic and reason would have me believe they'd want to sell as many CPUs as possible, and keeping the socket compatible for as long as possible would seem logical. My thoughts on reasons they might have done this. I honestly have no idea, these are just uninformed guesses. - The Charitable Answer: There actually is some sort of…
Intel actually intended for LGA1151 to remain unchanged for Coffee Lake but found out late in the testing process that many existing motherboards did not have enough power delivery capability to support the planned 6 and 8 core parts. Hence the decision to lock them out in software only. They are probably aware of the bad optics but decided that it’s better than trying to deal with the RMAs later. It’s very similar t…
Here's a video from gamer's Nexus on AMD's HW testing lab, just to understand the depth and breadth of how much HW and compatibility testing goes into a new CPU, and that's only what they can talk about in public. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H4eg2jOvVw