This reads more like a shakedown than anything. Even if the casino was being dodgy, CF went in asking for more money, not demanding that they stop doing whatever it is they were doing.
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#62> causing… irreparable loss in customer trust
> I'm a SysOps engineer at a fairly large online casino
Oh no, a casino losing the trust of its customers? Those places are normally so scrupulous!
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
The point is more that the author is an unreliable narrator and you need to apply a little salt to the rest of the story. Cloudflare absolutely shouldn't be taking bribes to permit regulatory evasion. But if they are, I want more evidence than a substack post.
It also seems strange they dont know their Traffic Numbers. >Note that 80TB is the number they tried to sell us, I don’t know if it is accurate since they removed all our access to historical analytics. I mean you dont need accurate Data but surely most would know by heart their traffic in rough figures? Or am I the old dog where every new Web Dev are so used to Cloud and Serverless they have no idea what they are us…
Over 90% of our traffic is cached, since it is static assets. I can look up how much traffic reaches our origin, but the main factor is the number of static files hit. We used Cloudflare Analytics (part of the business plan) to track this, and since it didn't really impact our tech much until now I don't have an exact overview. I mainly know which (uncached) endpoints are hit how much. Fastly is currently saying 15TB per week which seems roughly the same range as Cloudflare's 80TB / month number.
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#64It has become apparent that doing business with Cloudflare is a liability.
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#65$250/month sounds like nothing at all for a site with a claimed 4M MAU. The enterprise rate of $10k/month sounds a lot more reasonable. If everything presented here is accurate, I'm not understanding the sharp discrepancy in pricing tiers. If anything they should've already been paying more than $10k/month for massive traffic on the basic plan and then be able to save money by paying for massive scale when negotiatin…
According to Cloudflare themselves, 80TB traffic should cost around $100/month. See: https://blog.cloudflare.com/aws-egregious-egress
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#66This is my first post on Hacker News as I primarily just browse. This situation kept me intrigued, wanting to know how it would unfold.
The Google Cloud situation and all these little happenings, including the proliferation of Gen AI into everything, make me long for the days when companies had their mainframes onsite, in closets or separate rooms, away from CDNs and cloud networks. It seems like a better idea to use these cloud networks as a separate off-site backup rather than for primary use.
I’d love to learn more about what will happen next in this saga. I’ve seen a post where a Cloudflare exec has posted here on HN before. They probably won’t say anything for legal reasons, but what repercussions can Cloudflare expect for this? Will they be, or can they be, sued for this downtime and the related expenses?
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#67The OP does not give their company nor domain name. I wonder if this is related to recent efforts by the Dutch to collaborate with Cloudflare to prevent online gambling companies operating in the Netherlands.
https://igamingbusiness.com/legal-compliance/legal/cloudflar...
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#68Is this why cloudflare manages to be cheap?
It's unclear as it shouldn't be possible to be cheap. That said, in a world of data, Cloudflare being a massive man in the middle (MITM) probably means something [1]. [1] Cloudflare decrypts your traffic, reads it, and then forwards it. They see all encrypted data going to and from your website, in plaintext.
This data collection project has a name: "Project Honey Pot" (and had excellent relations with FBI), look closely the story that led to Cloudflare.
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#69Or CF had already decided to kick them off the platform and tried to get some money before they did so.
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#70$250/month sounds like nothing at all for a site with a claimed 4M MAU. The enterprise rate of $10k/month sounds a lot more reasonable. If everything presented here is accurate, I'm not understanding the sharp discrepancy in pricing tiers. If anything they should've already been paying more than $10k/month for massive traffic on the basic plan and then be able to save money by paying for massive scale when negotiatin…
According to Cloudflare themselves, 80TB traffic should cost around $100/month. See: https://blog.cloudflare.com/aws-egregious-egress
That's just one of many components of what you pay them in total, though.