Anyone can already make music
Unfortunately it takes time, dedication and some amount of talent. How inconvenient!
/sarcasm off
Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music
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Re: Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music
#62Random anecdote: I've created a Suno song as an anniversary gift for my girlfriend. She was absolutely mindblown by it as it's an earworm song with many of our memories. Always good to be aware of our small tech bubble here and that things we take for granted already, might not even be close to adoption :)
I’ve created a few variants of a song for a singer/songwriter friend of mine using his lyrics. His mind was likewise blown, and it gave him some fresh ideas on how to improve his song
Re: Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The time comes when music played by real people, even with mistakes, will be valued more than electronically generated performance. Robin Hanson recently said something to the effect that this might be the last era of human-dominated artistic production. As such, that works produced in these days -- these final days of the human arts -- might be especially prestigious and valuable in times to come. I believe it. Su…
Suno et al are trained on existing music created by humans. What happens when "real" musicians will stop publishing new material out of frustration because they will drown in a sea of AI generated garbage?
I'm sure it's possible to guide them to originality. And, in fact, even Suno at this very early stage in its development is capable of creating original music, sometimes even by accident.
I had wanted to coax it to produce structured/"melodic" dark ambient music like this: https://youtu.be/2L-lA0xqzKo?si=SESlJhPjKvRyUeTm&t=614
What it came up with was not much like what I had intended. It appears to have interpreted "ambient" in the alternative way -- as in ambient café noises and background murmurs. What it produced was a conventional hazy ambient track with what seems, in a dreamlike way that's hard to grasp, like a conversation running in the background. Quite unusual! https://suno.com/song/45b23814-59e2-480e-9a2a-7c7a895b3957
Re: Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
When everyone can produce “slop” in seconds the value of slop rapidly approaches zero and you have to do something the machine can’t do, which is produce original, superior material. You also get to use generations as a starting point and improve upon them. I think if anything this will only improve the human SOTA.
I think that's naive - good luck finding the "superior" material when the marketplace is flooded with garbage. Amazon users are facing this exact issue at the moment with chatGPT generated 'books'. Users and site operators cannot scale up to filter out the low quality sludge being generated by AI.
But we already have to do that. The marketplace is already flooded with garbage. People who do original things will still float to the top. People who already produce poorly made crap will have to do something else
Re: Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music
#65I don't understand all the hate. I've been listening to this all morning and it's fantastic.
Sure, it's not going to trend on Apple Music... but it's the best we've ever done and a genuine step above previous efforts.
Re: Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music
#66Yeah I've heard this story before. What's actually going to happen is that Spotify and every other music streaming service will be filled with 50 million functionally identical AI generated songs made by people looking to scrape off a few cents when people listen to them by accident.
Spotify recently changes terms to only include songs with certain numbers of downloads (1000) for payouts eliminating this strategy.
Re: Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music
#67Yeah I've heard this story before. What's actually going to happen is that Spotify and every other music streaming service will be filled with 50 million functionally identical AI generated songs made by people looking to scrape off a few cents when people listen to them by accident.
Right, this will probably end up being like how autotune was for singers. I don't really want "anyone" to make music. I want people who are good at making music to make music. Yeah we should remove barriers for those people, but honestly nothing beats practice and dedication. Tech seems more and more focused on regurgitation instead of creation.
> Yeah we should remove barriers for those people
The thing is, we have already removed all of the financial/logistic barriers. Anyone who owns a laptop can setup their own little home studio with a mic + audio interface + pair of speakers for under 200 bucks. That's how I started as a kid. But as you say, you still need practice and dedication (and some talent). If you get rid of that, you essentially get rid of art.
That being said, I do remember Magix Music Maker and Acid Music from the early 2000s where you could easily create your own songs by drag&dropping loops on a timeline. Actually, that's what got me into music production as a kid. I think this kind of software can be a great starting point. The problem with Suno and Udio, IMO, is that the interface is too basic and offers very little control over the actual music.
Now, the actual problem is that people will abuse these programs to spam established distribution channels with low effort AI garbage on a massive scale. We already see this happening in other domains (digital visual art, books).
Of course, you can't expect tech companies to consider the broad effects of their products on society...
Re: Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think that's naive - good luck finding the "superior" material when the marketplace is flooded with garbage. Amazon users are facing this exact issue at the moment with chatGPT generated 'books'. Users and site operators cannot scale up to filter out the low quality sludge being generated by AI.
But we already have to do that. The marketplace is already flooded with garbage. People who do original things will still float to the top. People who already produce poorly made crap will have to do something else
Why would they float to the top? Marketing budgets will push garbage to the top like what happens now in music. No real change. Leaving the audio tune era into the AI era isn't going to change anything.
Re: Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music
#69Yeah I've heard this story before. What's actually going to happen is that Spotify and every other music streaming service will be filled with 50 million functionally identical AI generated songs made by people looking to scrape off a few cents when people listen to them by accident.
Multiyear long spotify listener. I think it's already flooded with spam from non real artists. I had weekly discovery playlists, where I did downvote all of proposed songs... Each new set was still coming with most boring, uninspired, flat and predictable structure (and abstract cover art), which for me is an exact equivalent of those NFT images. The images are designed to be a set of replaceable elements that have t…
But with these AI tools it will happen on a much bigger scale!
Re: Suno has raised $125M to build a future where anyone can make music
#70Yeah I've heard this story before. What's actually going to happen is that Spotify and every other music streaming service will be filled with 50 million functionally identical AI generated songs made by people looking to scrape off a few cents when people listen to them by accident.
We were already there a few years ago before the generative AI boom. I'm starting to wonder if this stuff is actually going to make real art "hand made" by real people more valuable in some ways because it'll stand out from the mountains of auto-generated trash. Problem will be finding it.
> Problem will be finding it.
Exactly! Looks like we will need more curation again.