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Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

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Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

#61

I doubt you'd find "an employees" if your job ad has grammar or typography mistakes in it.

I think a lot of people can tell from the writing when English isn't someone's first language and are willing to give them a little break.

Also I bet there are ESL business owners who have an English-first speaking friend review their job listings, but maybe not their random forum comments.

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

#62
Employer problems: evergreen postings not tied to real jobs, high standards while simultaneously not willing to train and retain, poor interview practices.

Employee problems: misrepresenting self/skills, job hopping (mostly due to failure to promote/retain by employers)

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

#63
post #8

It's not any kind of paradox. Structural unemployment happens when the skills of the work force don't match the needs of employers, so there is both unemployment and difficulty hiring. Structural unemployment is usually high when there's a rapid change in demand for skills, as of course there is in tech. It results in crazy high salaries too. People with machine learning experience are getting 7-figure offers, while…

Structural unemployment happens when the perceived skills of the workforce don't match the perceived needs of employers, so there is both unemployment and difficulty hiring.

A lot of engineers will tell you that companies are often expecting both too much (precise types of experience) and the wrong things (leetcode-type challenges, unnecessarily specific knowledge...), which leads them to pass over perfectly qualified candidates.

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

#64
It’s not paradoxical if you account for the normal distribution in employee talents, and companies are unrealistic about expectations. Big companies still have the mentality of startups, thinking that they can fill their ranks with top 10% people who are super self motivated and able to handle complex tasks with minimal management and training. Maybe that’s possible when you’re hiring three people at a startup, but it’s not possible when you’re hiring 300 people.

Tech is now like the car industry. Google and Microsoft and Apple are like GM and Ford and Chrysler. And most of the startups are parts suppliers feeding into that ecosystem. They’re going to have to learn how to execute their core functions by appropriately training and supervising line workers.

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

#65

I doubt you'd find "an employees" if your job ad has grammar or typography mistakes in it.

Ok look sorry to mess with you, but the irony may be informative.

You’re complaining about someone’s “typography” on a forum that doesn’t really allow a lot of font and layout flexibility.

Or did you mean typographical?

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

#66
post #13

I don't understand the hiring people industry. The questions thrown at me are trivia, if I knew the answer, or not, it doesn't mean anything. People are looking for weird specifics for things that ... really don't need it. The job inevitably doesn't even rely on those specifics. I'll learn whatever anyone wants, I like doing that ... no honestly I do. Can I just talk to the folks I'll potentially be working with / fo…

Completely agree here. My company interviews for and hires based on soft skills.

Yeah, certain hard skills help. I don't want to teach you excel or basic computer skills.

But we work in data analytics/marketing and my coworkers consist of people like a theater major, an anthropologist, someone that previously negotiated govt contracts for Lockheed, a sommelier, and more. Yeah, we hire mostly at entry level, but our team is highly capable because they were hired based on curiosity, critical thinking skills, etc and taught by the people who possess hard skills

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

#67
Our workforce is more educated now than at any point in history. This means we'll have more and more people competing for jobs they are overqualified for. From a job seeker perspective, it will only get harder as the traditional credentials have lost their value.

I've also been on the hiring perspective and I can tell you there is no shortage of candidates, nor do companies have a hard time finding employees. The problem is that they either:

A: Want top talent without paying the premium B: Want top talent for a role that doesn't require it

If you ask any hiring manager, they'll always prefer the senior talent over the junior one, even if the role doesn't require it. But once they see the rates that senior talent commands, they might adjust their expectations.

I don't think there is any dream solution given that the problem is more cultural than anything. If anything, the market will loosen up in favor of the hiring managers in the long run, but continue to squeeze workers given our current trajectory.

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

#68

We advertised for a junior developer role in April and got almost ~1700 applications in a week. we gave up after reviewing around 100.

As in you managed to find the hire you were looking for after looking at 100 candidates, or all of the 100 seemed unsuitable, and you decided not to even look at the other 1700 ?

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

#69
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post #5

What works is companies not demanding that their employee be the square peg that fits their square hole. The square peg doesn’t exist. You’re going to have to hire someone who doesn’t already have the specific skills you need and invest in training them and educating them. The interview process is just to evaluate if they are capable of succeeding in that process. Yes, it means companies have to take risk. It’s bette…

> It’s better than the risk of trying to carry on long term short-staffed Companies don’t feel that way. They feel they can just ramp up the workload on existing employees “until we can hire more.” What are they going to do, leave? Where do they think they’re going to go? They’ll be met with the same situation at another company, except they’ll be on the other side of the table this time. If there are companies with…

At some point, your employees don't just magically work harder. And then you fail to meet customer demand resulting in lost potential revenue. By the time this happens you're so far in the hole it's challenging to climb out.
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