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Re: The Lunacy of Artemis

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It's not really NASA that's building this, it's Lockheed Martin and other too big to fail defense companies. This is just a little something something to keep them in the game. As one person in NASA told me, they "fears NASA is becoming just a white collar jobs program"--artemis is clearly on mission.

"fears NASA is becoming just a white collar jobs program"

That's 90% of US defense spending.

Re: The Lunacy of Artemis

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> Imagine trying to pour water from a thermos into a red-hot skillet while falling off a cliff and you get some idea of the difficulties.

Maciej has such a talent for picturesque metaphors.

Re: The Lunacy of Artemis

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Unkind quotes, but hilarious and probably well deserved: "SLS looks like someone started building a Space Shuttle and ran out of legos for the orbiter" "But on top of this monster sits a second stage so anemic that even its name (the Interim Cryogenic Propulsion Stage) is a kind of apology." "the minds behind SLS achieved a first in space flight, creating a rocket that is at the same time more powerful and less capab…

And another one: "Costs on SLS have reached the point where private industry is now able to develop, test, and launch an entire rocket program for less than NASA spends on a single engine"

And a few more on on the Orion capsule:

"Orion, the capsule that launches on top of SLS, is a relaxed-fit reimagining of the Apollo command module suitable for today’s larger astronaut."

"The capsule’s official name is the Orion Multipurpose Crew Vehicle, but finding even a single purpose for Orion has greatly challenged NASA."

"Where Apollo was built like a roadster, with a small crew compartment bolted onto an oversized engine, Orion is the Dodge Journey of spacecraft—a chunky, underpowered six-seater that advertises to the world that you're terrible at managing money."

Re: The Lunacy of Artemis

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we have something in place to monitor the far side? We don't have a visual on it like we do the near side. Yeah, we've flown around it, imaged it in the past. Nothing ongoing though. If you think about it in a national security sense instead of an astronomical one, the question is "what is a rival power up to", then indeed it is dark and unknown. Mind I only watched from the timestamp, I might have missed somethin…

Yes, this has been observing the moon, both near and far side since 2009 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Reconnaissance_Orbiter I don’t see how any NASA employee, who ultimately work for him, could have any respect for his ability to make strategic decisions for NASA

Thanks for sharing.

1. That's awesome

2. Yeah, he's a doofus.

Re: The Lunacy of Artemis

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post #42

Unkind quotes, but hilarious and probably well deserved: "SLS looks like someone started building a Space Shuttle and ran out of legos for the orbiter" "But on top of this monster sits a second stage so anemic that even its name (the Interim Cryogenic Propulsion Stage) is a kind of apology." "the minds behind SLS achieved a first in space flight, creating a rocket that is at the same time more powerful and less capab…

Agree that the criticism is overall well-founded, but this one is a bit strange: > SLS looks like someone started building a Space Shuttle and ran out of legos for the orbiter Should the booster look different just for the sake of looking different?

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Re: The Lunacy of Artemis

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As a kid, mainlining Heinlein, I just assumed we'd have a moonbase by now and that it would be up to something important and useful. In my 20s, I assumed that our then-primitive software engineering techniques would be refined until we could make things that were simple, polished, cheap, and reliable. So it's a little wild to me to see software not only get more chaotic, but influence hardware as well. All in service…

> until we could make things that were simple, polished, cheap, and reliable.

That was the original Apollo mission. We went to the moon 6 times.

Re: The Lunacy of Artemis

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This is a criticism rooted in viewing the problem the wrong way. You can't compare a modern attempt at a moon landing to the Apollo program. It's straight up invalid. The Apollo program was a national prestige program, so successful we stopped going to the moon for ~49 years and counting. At it's peak it consumed 2.5% of US national GDP. We will never, ever , nor should we run a program like the Apollo program ever a…

> it's thoroughly dismissive of the political concerns which are the essence of the entire problem No, it is quite correctly pointing out that political concerns are creating a lot of problems that shouldn't even exist . > If we don't get there with a more sustainable approach, then there's no point going. But the article's whole point is that this is not a "more sustainable approach". It's less capable than Apollo,…

The compensating benefits are jobs for constituents of key members of Congress and big contracts for their friends. But those are compensating benefits for the legislators specifically, not for the American people (who are paying for all of this) or the global scientific community.

Re: The Lunacy of Artemis

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't Asimov write about half the moon being dark? TIL the "far side of the moon" is actually referred to as "the dark side of the moon". But yeah, it's funny/sad that nobody in the room seems to know anything.

When we earthlings see a new moon, we see one dark side turned towards us, while another dark side is the far side; Moon is completely in the Earth's shadow. During a solar eclipse, the far side is brightly lit, while the side turned towards us is dark. Most of the time the dark side does not match the far or the near side, we see a part of both the dark and lit sides as a crescent. I don't see how "the far side" and…

The earth’s shadow has nothing to do with moon phases and only affects our view during a lunar eclipse.

I always thought the dark side of the moon meant from earths’ view: we can see the light side (even when it’s dark) but we can’t see the dark side (even when it’s light)

Re: The Lunacy of Artemis

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Destin from Smarter Every Day gave a talk that addresses a lot of these issues that I found pretty interesting too. https://youtu.be/OoJsPvmFixU

Just skimmed it, but he mostly agrees with the criticisms right? ("Addresses" often suggests a rebuttal.)
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