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Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by Dalewyn »

nequo wrote: post #14
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had to look it up but if anyone is curious, Sway is a Wayland-based drop in replacement for i3, a tiling window manager. I always wanted to get in to i3, but traditional window managers seem to work better with my brain.

> traditional window managers seem to work better with my brain. My final push came from Gnome (on X11) randomly messing up Alt+Tab so that each time it would start cycling from an arbitrary window rather than the current one, only fixable by logging out and logging in again. Also annoying: with an external monitor, windows sometimes jump between monitors after suspend and resume for no clear reason. No such issues w…

Suspend/Sleep/Hibernation have always been jank, all bets are off if you dare use them.

Just idle or shut it down like a sane man.

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by Dalewyn »

nolongerthere wrote: post #27

Can anyone explain how Wayland and X(?) relate to Linux? Like what’s the windows equivalent? I’ve used Ubuntu desktop a few times, I keep liveUSB versions of mint, Suse, and Ubuntu on my ventoy, but I just don’t understand what the deal is with the constant discussion of Wayland and X…

>Like what’s the windows equivalent?

The closest is probably Desktop Window Manager.

On a similar vein, CMD and PowerShell are equivalent to the Terminal as the command line interface shell.

>I just don’t understand what the deal is with the constant discussion of Wayland and X…

Imagine two groups of people squabbling whether it's better to use Stacking Window Manager (used from Windows 2 through XP) or Desktop Window Manager (used from Windows Vista onwards).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacking_window_manager#Micros...

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by vundercind »

fyrn_ wrote: post #26
jsdavo wrote: post #19

Wayland breaks the GlobalProtect™ VPN client. Quite annoying.

To be fair Even on MacOS (presumably bigger market for them) a strong breeze breaks GlobalProtect™

Zero problems with globalprotect on my work Mac for the year or so I’ve been using it.

I’m actually super surprised because the thing looks like cheap jankware.

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

saurik wrote: post #6
janice1999 wrote: post #2

Wayland has been hit and miss for me on Intel and AMD graphics over the years but has progressively gotten better and more stable.... Until an update on Ubuntu 23.10 a week ago randomly stopped snap application launching under Wayland, forcing me back to Xorg. I consider myself fairly Linux savvy but I still have no idea how to fix that.

Were you benefiting from the use of Xorg and are now missing something important?

? It sounds like they don't care except that Xorg works and Wayland doesn't

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by KingMachiavelli »

aeyes wrote: post #41
KingMachiavelli wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which card and desktop environment? The only bug I still experience is occasional desktop flickering. TBH Archlinux and NixOS have the easiest Nvidia experience because IIRC I think Ubuntu still defaults to Nouveau?

RTX 3070 on Plasma with the latest Nvidia driver. Things are probably better with AMD. I used Arch for 2 years and Fedora for about a year. I just can't handle Linux as a daily driver anymore, I don't really want to deal with all the little annoyances anymore. Every couple of months I come back to see if things are improving. I have zero issues with Windows. I don't do much dev work on this machine and when I do a VM…

I've had a nearly perfect experience with Intel and AMD.

It's pretty rare to have a machine now days without integrated graphics so it's easy enough to just use the integrated GPU for the desktop environment and only use the dedicated/Nvidia GPU for games/CUDA stuff.

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by anymouse123456 »

Dalewyn wrote: post #61
nequo wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> traditional window managers seem to work better with my brain. My final push came from Gnome (on X11) randomly messing up Alt+Tab so that each time it would start cycling from an arbitrary window rather than the current one, only fixable by logging out and logging in again. Also annoying: with an external monitor, windows sometimes jump between monitors after suspend and resume for no clear reason. No such issues w…

Suspend/Sleep/Hibernation have always been jank, all bets are off if you dare use them. Just idle or shut it down like a sane man.

I have a Thinkpad X1 Carbon running Ubuntu LTS that sleeps beautifully when I close the lid.

This replaced years of Dell and Asus models that kept trying to commit thermal suicide in my bag.

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

xyst wrote: post #39

Are there any good Linux desktop communities y’all recommend joining? I want to setup a passwordless workflow with a Linux desktop environment, but I’m honestly lost between “Wayland” vs “wlroots” vs “X”. I only understand that Wayland is the preferred “display server” and “X” only exists for legacy. And this is only the display server. I have not even delved into the other components. Right now, I have setup a basic…

> but I’m honestly lost between “Wayland” vs “wlroots” vs “X”. I only understand that Wayland is the preferred “display server” and “X” only exists for legacy.

A minor clarification: Wayland is a protocol, not an implementation. X11 is also theoretically a protocol, but the only implementation anyone seems to care about is the Xorg server. Because a lot of compositors (the wayland-world piece of software that actually implements the display server) need similar core functionality, wlroots was created as a library that provides a lot of the needed code and which gets used by the actual compositor (ex. mutter for GNOME, kwin for KDE, and sway for sway).

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 to Default to Wayland for Nvidia Users

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

johnny22 wrote: post #58
teaearlgraycold wrote: post #36

Is there a good Wayland post-mortem style write-up detailing what went wrong and why it's taken this long and still isn't solid?

I can't imagine someone being able to write one without being flamed on all sides because there are so many guilty parties including the potential users themselves. I don't think it helped that the core protocols were so minimal though or that the reference implementation was really just that. Both GNOME and KDE went their own way on building their own compositors and I think that was sad :(

> because there are so many guilty parties including the potential users themselves.

What did the users do wrong? All the pushback I'm aware of from that corner has been either "Wayland doesn't support $FEATURE and I need that" or "Wayland is buggy for me", neither of which is a fault on their part.

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