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Steve Wozniak: When I die these are the moments I want to remember

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Post by self_awareness »

djtango wrote: post #48
self_awareness wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think like this today . Would your life be better if you had this stance for your last 30 years? Would that be your advice for young adults who are just entering life? I guess you were lucky that you didn't have any cases of cancer in the family (if you had, then I apologize and I'm sorry). No important problems that are only easily solved by lots of money. But if it's just luck, then it's really inappropriate to…

Could you help me explore your view a bit more? Parent's advice is about favouring team and striving to be an enabler/multiplier rather than sweating over individual perfection of craft. It's a fairly common conclusion that some people arrive at. What are you contrasting that to? How does that relate to money problems and health problems? Is becoming a multiplier mutually exclusive from chasing financial success in y…

I never had the pleasure of working with a manager that cared about me, nor I had contact with any other form of a "multipler" person, other than my parents. So I don't think I'm a good candidate for discussion in this subject, because obviously I won't really know what I'm writing about, and I'm certainly not knowledgable about what you care about.

I only had the impression that the OP tells his subordinates that "they shouldn't oversweat, do some meaningful stuff but remember it won't really matter in the end". This is while working for a company that was created by a person who has probably worked their ass off, and maybe even sacrificed their private life for pursuing a dream of having a large company.

All I'm saying is that money, success, power, connections are so important in life that they give happiness even for other people. If we're poor, then where do we go for help? To those who are richer or more powerful. They enable our happiness in our time of need (that is, if they choose to help us).

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Post by imiric »

b112 wrote: post #54
The_Colonel wrote: post #34

It's interesting how Woz and Jobs represent polar opposites on this topic with Jobs being very "the end justifies the means" type of person. > Finding things to be grateful for in the midst of hardship — like your loved ones or good health — can shift your brain into a more optimistic mindset and help you overcome those challenges, Wozniak added. I guess this is what it all boils down to. The default human setting is…

Sorry to slap this on your comment, but it seems a good place to put it. We don't know who Jobs or Woz are. At best, even most people in the field are using 3rd or 5th hand information. Quotes from Jobs or Woz don't show even the tiniest real glimpse into who a person is. Stories about persons, especially those with significant media presence, are often tailored, and invariably seen through the optics of the author o…

> You need to know a person, personally, to actually be able to gauge what they actually believed.

I mean, sure, but at the same time these were public figures and we have ample evidence of what they said, and how they acted. Whether they were putting up a persona or not is irrelevant, as we can only go by whatever someone tells us, and by how they behave. Besides, people can have different personas even among people closest to them. Since we can never know the truth, it's easiest to assume that what someone says aligns with what they think.

The historic record is powerful in this way, and the reason why historical figures become myths and legends. Humans are story tellers after all, and once we were able to record stories for future generations, it transformed our culture and catapulted our progress as a civilization.

We don't need to "know" someone to learn from their beliefs and ideas.

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Post by drmpeg »

m463 wrote: post #47
madrox wrote: post #18

I resonate with this a lot. There is a time horizon beyond which the work we do doesn't really matter. No code I wrote five years ago is in production today. A vanishingly small number of products I built are still around. The act of building is a pleasure, but once it's built, its success and impact are pretty much out of my hands. Once I accepted that, I enjoyed the process a lot more, and ironically my output got…

Most of the companies I've worked for no longer exist, let alone the code. Even stranger, I've never had anything to show as the code never "existed" in the physical sense.

None of the companies I've worked for exist today. Even some of the buildings are gone. I worked at 1188 Bordeaux in Sunnyvale (at a kooky company called Microtest where I used to smoke weed with the CEO and CFO), and now it's been replaced with a Google parking garage (and Sunnyvale Fire Station #5 next door).

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Post by DrScientist »

surfingdino wrote: post #28

He had a driven business partner who helped turn his passion for computers into a multi-billion corporation. He always struck me as immature. Not a great businessman, not a great engineer, more of a hobbyist who got lucky and quickly reached the limits of his knowledge and ability with the original Apple. His myth has greatly outgrown his accomplishments and I have a feeling even he is not comfortable with it, he'd r…

That driven business partner had a publicly articulated strategy of finding great people and surrounding himself with them.

He sought out Woz because of what he could do.

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Post by _steady »

madrox wrote: post #18

I resonate with this a lot. There is a time horizon beyond which the work we do doesn't really matter. No code I wrote five years ago is in production today. A vanishingly small number of products I built are still around. The act of building is a pleasure, but once it's built, its success and impact are pretty much out of my hands. Once I accepted that, I enjoyed the process a lot more, and ironically my output got…

Really reminders me of the following phrase:

"When the work is done, it is forgotten. That is why it lasts forever."

- Tao Te Ching (Chapter 2)

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Post by gbil »

aaron695 wrote: post #29
gbil wrote: post #12

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thanks but 'Video is not rated. Log in to watch.'

As a Hacker you need to learn to solve these problems yourself. While in the EU/UK you need to learn to get around censorship, you have to work past your cyber-agoraphobia, leave your region. Use a VPN or Tor or Proxy Or it tells you what to do, get a login. yt-dlp or https://cobalt.tools might even work. On Topic: Why they wanted to have accessibility for the blind is they were good people, also the famous blind phr…

My approach when I share something is to make sure that it is not behind a paywall or any other login schemes and while indeed one can jump in the page source and find the direct video link, not everyone has the time or is the "hacker" assumed here just because the read hacker news, I think we are years and years past this. Thanks again for the link though

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Post by 8organicbits »

normie3000 wrote: post #25
madrox wrote: post #18

I resonate with this a lot. There is a time horizon beyond which the work we do doesn't really matter. No code I wrote five years ago is in production today. A vanishingly small number of products I built are still around. The act of building is a pleasure, but once it's built, its success and impact are pretty much out of my hands. Once I accepted that, I enjoyed the process a lot more, and ironically my output got…

> No code I wrote five years ago is in production today. This is wild! How can you be so sure?

Now I need to track my code down. I think I can find open source code from 14 years ago still in use. Unless the product is defunct or all your code is rewritten, I think it's common that code just keeps running.

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Post by jaggederest »

raverbashing wrote: post #45
normie3000 wrote: post #25

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> No code I wrote five years ago is in production today. This is wild! How can you be so sure?

That's a funny statement I'm sure-ish some of my code from 10 yrs ago is still in production. Though I'm far removed from where it actually runs. Maybe even some of the older code I wrote (which at this point is ~ 15yrs old) might be still around (at a different place) 5 yrs ago? No problem. I even have to still maintain the darn thing. Of course, different companies, different cases, etc.

I'm in the weird position of code I wrote 15 years ago still being a common thing I use in production on applications I run today. I worked for a monitoring company that still uses the distant ancestor of the code I wrote, so if I am monitoring applications using their library, it's still got a lot of my code in it.

The oldest code I think is still in production I wrote in 2002, so it's old enough to drink. Still powers a web form as far as I am aware. Funny story - it was in ASP/JScript, so I've been doing "full stack JS" for close to 25 years now?!

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Post by jaggederest »

taspeotis wrote: post #41
normie3000 wrote: post #25

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> No code I wrote five years ago is in production today. This is wild! How can you be so sure?

He's a JavaScript dev

Funnily enough my first gigs around the turn of the century were in ASP/JScript! As far as I know that code is still running in production, NT 4.0 or something?
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