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Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by Spivak »

k8svet wrote: post #51
nox101 wrote: post #34

I know people disagree with me about this. I certainly hate it that governments gave local monopolies to companies like Comcast That said, I'm pretty confident municipal internet is bad thing in the long run (compared to actually competitive markets, not local monopolies) Problems: (1) Unlike say, water, sewage, power - internet tech changes 10gig might seem fast today. In 15 years it will seem slow. Will the governm…

Lol, wow , I'd put 90% of my net worth into a bet against this take if I could. I don't even know where to start, gestures around, reality is here, now.

The top end of residential internet right now is a 2.5G GPON link split 32 ways and sold as 1G which in practice gets you about 300-600M.

10G symmetric being common even oversubscribed to hell is 20+ years out from most metro areas with entrenched IPSs. And for $150/mo is baffling, we could have done this the whole time? There has to be a catch, right? Folks outside the nice areas still don't get better than 100M advertised.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by drak0n1c »

hi-v-rocknroll wrote: post #32

Semi-rural residential Texas Triangle needs this. Some places have Spectrum (Charter) and nothing else. Google Fiber is fantasy outside of Austin. One notable exception is GVEC. https://www.gvec.net

AT&T Fiber is expanding quickly in North Texas. Got 2.5 gigabit a couple years ago to my suburban home in the edge of DFW where it transitions to rural. Their headquarters are in Dallas so they are keen on expanding locally.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by zer00eyz »

jorts wrote: post #49
zer00eyz wrote: post #41

I live in the bay area and just got sonic fiber to my house. 49 bucks a month for 10gbe. I have only seen it get up to 8gb in TESTING... I might be able to get to 9. That is a stupid amount of bandwidth. I give it 6 months before I get a call and they fire me as a client. Cause im going to try to use the hell out of it.

I LOVE Sonic. I also have the 10Gb internet for $50/month and I can’t even use that much bandwidth. Also their customer service is amazing. I was caught off guard when I called in for an issue and a local person answered when I expected it to go to a machine. They also support net neutrality.

> I can’t even use that much bandwidth.

I built an opnsense box (part of my proxmox cluster) and passed through a dual 10gbe nic. That whole PC was cheaper than any off the shelf routing solution I could find.

The rest of the network is going to take time... I suspect that im gonna end up with a few fiber runs in the house before all is said and done.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by Nursie »

denkmoon wrote: post #29
ftigis wrote: post #19

In Singapore there's a telco intending to launch 10 Gbps fiber for 30 SGD (~22.35 USD) per month. likely to be asymmetric though, since their 2.5 Gbps service at ~16.24 USD per month is advertised as 2.5 Gbps down and 1.25 Gbps up.

The things you could do with 1.25gbps. Crazy stuff. Vastly different infrastructure/density situations but here in Australia I'm paying ~56USD per month for 0.04gbps up.

Australia has Abbott and friends to thank for fucking the whole NBN plan up royally.

We would have had fiber to the premises everywhere and affordable gigabit by now, but Abbott decided Australia shouldn't spend money on what he saw as merely a "video entertainment system" and binned it in favour of the current Mixed Technology mess.

Which then actually cost more to implement.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by ncallaway »

nox101 wrote: post #34

I know people disagree with me about this. I certainly hate it that governments gave local monopolies to companies like Comcast That said, I'm pretty confident municipal internet is bad thing in the long run (compared to actually competitive markets, not local monopolies) Problems: (1) Unlike say, water, sewage, power - internet tech changes 10gig might seem fast today. In 15 years it will seem slow. Will the governm…

> Come back to this comment and in 10 years.

We don’t have to. Municipal broadband initiatives have been around for more than 10 years.

I’ll pick the first one I find on Google for a search of “2014 municipal broadband install”. The first result I got was Chattanooga, which was installing 1gig in 2014 (https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/30/chattanooga-gi...). Not the fastest thing available, but certainly still quite respectable in 2024. Not many people with a gig today cry that it’s unusably slow.

But, let’s just check on Chattanooga’s current speed.

Apparently, in 2022 they were rolling out 25gig symmetric (https://epb.com/newsroom/epb-news/25-Gbps-internet-service-n...). That’s light-years better than I can get in a suburb outside of Seattle.

Dunno, municipal broadband seems like it can be just fine.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by userbinator »

As someone who has 1/1000th of that bandwidth to the Internet, and yet still only saturates that connection when transferring from some nearby sites, I'm curious how useful having a 10Gbps local connection will actually turn out to be in practice. Being able to download Linux ISOs faster is the prominent use case that comes to mind.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by caseyf7 »

zer00eyz wrote: post #41

I live in the bay area and just got sonic fiber to my house. 49 bucks a month for 10gbe. I have only seen it get up to 8gb in TESTING... I might be able to get to 9. That is a stupid amount of bandwidth. I give it 6 months before I get a call and they fire me as a client. Cause im going to try to use the hell out of it.

Sonic is reselling AT&T fiber in most situations, but they provide their own support which is nice if you need it. If the problem is with the fiber, you are still relying on AT&T.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by nightfly »

userbinator wrote: post #66

As someone who has 1/1000th of that bandwidth to the Internet, and yet still only saturates that connection when transferring from some nearby sites, I'm curious how useful having a 10Gbps local connection will actually turn out to be in practice. Being able to download Linux ISOs faster is the prominent use case that comes to mind.

Large families.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by bee_rider »

jwells89 wrote: post #36
lillecarl wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's more to a connection than speed, there might be data limits, there might be latency differences and it might just be unavailable or expensive. I'm not from the US, but if it's somewhat economically viable, go for the underdog.

In the US it’s also not uncommon for connections to be not only asymmetrical, but downright lopsided. Comcast sells “gigabit” in my area that’s 1.2Gbps down but only like 20Mbps up which is just silly. Thankfully a competitor offers true gigabit for about the same price, and so that’s what I subscribe to.

That is probably not a terrible configuration for a lot of users. It is disappointing that the internet didn’t remain a network of mostly peers where everyone might host something. But, realistically, lots of people approximately just use their bandwidth to stream video, right?
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