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Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu

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Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu

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Post by alephnerd »

twoodfin wrote: post #60
alephnerd wrote: post #30

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Having these pretuned AND having a dedicated support team doing the tuning for you is the killer app for some buyers, as it allowed Admins to concentrate on other work and also minimize management overhead for the Infra org. Spending $500k/yr on compute+support SLA is cheaper than $200k/yr on compute and hiring 3 admins dedicated to that piece of compute. This is the model that every Enterprise Infra vendor pushes (e…

MongoDB offers a preconfigured Linux to run on? Or did you just mean Atlas?

I mean MongoDB has a professional services SKU to simplify onboarding and management.

Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu

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Post by johannes1234321 »

thelastgallon wrote: post #27
alephnerd wrote: post #19

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Oracle Linux has been a thing for decades. It's largely because a lot of Oracle DB products where performance mattered (eg. Exadata) needed some sort of a base OS that Oracle could manage and optimize as needed.

> It's largely because a lot of Oracle DB products where performance mattered (eg. Exadata) needed some sort of a base OS that Oracle could manage and optimize as needed All that’s needed is update sysctl.conf to tune kernel parameters to the workload. Every Linux sysadmin knows how to do this. What kernel parameters need to be updated is heavily documented for any product.

> All that’s needed is update sysctl.conf to tune kernel parameters to the workload.

Mind that they do quite some work on the kernel itself to optimize it for their workloads:

https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/post/oracle-is-the-1-contribu...

The availability of Oracle's uek kernel is a differentiator from standard RHEL.

Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu

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Post by matt_heimer »

Lockal wrote: post #8

"Oracle’s move seems like a straightforward decision to ensure it is using the most permissive underlying IaC tool without having to worry about downstream license complications, no more and no less." Hm, with that logic they could dump MySQL in favor of MariaDB as well

Funny that you mention MariaDB.

Oracle bought MySQL which was forked into MariaDB. MariaDB created the Business Source License (BSL). Hashicorp switches Terraform to BSL which then leads to Terraform being forked into OpenTofu. OpenTofu seems to be getting adopted by Oracle.

Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu

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Post by therealpygon »

globular-toast wrote: post #59
sneak wrote: post #52

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Copyleft is not required, free software is a gift freely given. Even public domain is ok (weird places like Germany that don’t have public domain notwithstanding). What must be rejected is nonfree licenses like the BSL.

> Copyleft is not required Yes it is. Because companies (like Oracle) will take as much as they can and give as little as they can. > free software is a gift freely given It's a gift to the public, not to individuals and companies (like Oracle). > Even public domain is ok Even worse because that expressly allows companies (like Oracle) to take everything and give nothing.

All of which is well understood by anyone who release permissively licensed software?

If they didn’t accept that, they could have used a non-commercial license. If they expected contributions they could have sold a paid product.

I’d suggest not using others hard work as the basis for your argument. If it was your work and you regret it, say that. If you don’t like oracle, say that. Otherwise, people who contribute to FOSS software do so knowingly, yet you are trying to inject your own opinions of “public” vs whomever, as though you know better than those contributors own feelings and intentions.

Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu

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Post by skywhopper »

Lockal wrote: post #8

"Oracle’s move seems like a straightforward decision to ensure it is using the most permissive underlying IaC tool without having to worry about downstream license complications, no more and no less." Hm, with that logic they could dump MySQL in favor of MariaDB as well

Oracle owns the most permissive possible license to MySQL.

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Post by Kwpolska »

growse wrote: post #57
alephnerd wrote: post #19

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Oracle Linux has been a thing for decades. It's largely because a lot of Oracle DB products where performance mattered (eg. Exadata) needed some sort of a base OS that Oracle could manage and optimize as needed.

Didn't they buy one of these (Solaris)?

Maintaining an entire separate OS (like Solaris) is hard. Maintaining a fork of a Linux distro is easy.

Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu

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Post by skywhopper »

EspadaV9 wrote: post #15
dralley wrote: post #13

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I don't see how any of this could be true considering IBM is also heavily involved in OpenTofu (and did so first)

I was wondering, once IBM got Hashicorp, if they would reverse the license change for Terraform. Not been that long since the announcement, so still hoping they will.

If they do it likely won’t be until after the deal closes.

Re: Oracle dumps Terraform for OpenTofu

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Post by skywhopper »

cies wrote: post #45
EspadaV9 wrote: post #15

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I was wondering, once IBM got Hashicorp, if they would reverse the license change for Terraform. Not been that long since the announcement, so still hoping they will.

I believe Hashicorp's move wrt the license of TF was in order to close the IBM takeover deal.

Definitely not the case. HC leadership was totally desperate for any way to increase revenue and/or stock price. See also the announcement in a recent quarterly report that they were going to start doing share buybacks even though they are still operating at a loss.
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