Is this Europe's first home grown digital gatekeeper?
And is mostly coded in Perl...
EU commission designates Booking.com as a digital gatekeeper under DMA
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Re: EU commission designates Booking.com as a digital gatekeeper under DMA
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No, the Regulation (in this case) is the predatory practice, which is destroying companies. There's a reason the EU doesn't have many successful companies. DMA is the problem, it's not "that hotels are allowed to provide cheaper prices themselves". DMA does not regulate (or provide) that "hotels are allowed to provide cheaper prices themselves" because hotels were always allowed to do this. Even I admit that DMA has…
> There's a reason the EU doesn't have many successful companies I'm sorry, what? What could possibly make you think that?
Re: EU commission designates Booking.com as a digital gatekeeper under DMA
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How would you regulate them if at all?
The purpose of regulation should be to combat harmful business practices and not to try to destroy a company that grows too big for the tastes of EU politicians. Does Booking.com use their size to harm competitors in any harmful way? Not that I know. Do they abuse their customers or accommodation partners? Not that I know. Regulators should show some evidence before making hostile moves, it seems they are just acting…
That's exactly where the designation as a "gatekeep" comes in. For it to happen there's an investigation by the commission, and there are static thresholds but also sense applied. Just because you don't know how booking.com have abused their position doesn't mean they haven't - as concrete examples, they've been caught applying dark patterns with lies (only X rooms remaining and Y people are looking at them!!!), and them precluding hotels from offering cheaper rates is also a problem for consumers.
Re: EU commission designates Booking.com as a digital gatekeeper under DMA
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
The purpose of regulation should be to combat harmful business practices and not to try to destroy a company that grows too big for the tastes of EU politicians. Does Booking.com use their size to harm competitors in any harmful way? Not that I know. Do they abuse their customers or accommodation partners? Not that I know. Regulators should show some evidence before making hostile moves, it seems they are just acting…
> Does Booking.com use their size to harm competitors in any harmful way? Not that I know. Do they abuse their customers or accommodation partners? Not that I know. Regulators should show some evidence before making hostile moves, it seems they are just acting on ideology and not in the interests of the customer. That's exactly where the designation as a "gatekeep" comes in. For it to happen there's an investigation…
> precluding hotels from offering cheaper rates is also a problem for consumers.
Then you don't understand the industry. It is impossible for booking or any third party sellers to exist if they can not offer the same rates to customers for the same rooms. People would just use booking.com to find availability and reviews, and then book with the hotel more cheaply. Then you have to ban all third party selling of hotels or actually anything at all. Hotels have always been free to not use booking.com and to not offer all rooms on booking.com
I find it very Soviet to state that a crime has been committed without mentioning what it is, and it's impressive that people here swallow it wholesale.
People use middle men such as booking for increased confidence in their travel reservations. Trust is something very important when dealing with distance sales, which is the entire travel industry. Consumers will not benefit by taking away those platforms.
Re: EU commission designates Booking.com as a digital gatekeeper under DMA
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> Would you rather be forced to scour a dozen hotel sites individually to find a place to stay? Yes.
And you're still welcome to, and that's the thing. The existence of Booking.com doesn't prevent that.
Re: EU commission designates Booking.com as a digital gatekeeper under DMA
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> Does Booking.com use their size to harm competitors in any harmful way? Not that I know. Do they abuse their customers or accommodation partners? Not that I know. Regulators should show some evidence before making hostile moves, it seems they are just acting on ideology and not in the interests of the customer. That's exactly where the designation as a "gatekeep" comes in. For it to happen there's an investigation…
What are you talking about? Using sales tactics is not the same as abusing your market position or unfair competition. As for the "Only X rooms remaining", those numbers are not lies. I could easily confirm that by comparing with my backend system when working as a hotel manager. Just because you (or the EU) don't like those texts, doesn't mean they are lies. Some people might even find them useful. > precluding hote…
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47141538
Enjoy. Booking have been caught lying to pressure consumers.
> Then you don't understand the industry. It is impossible for booking or any third party sellers to exist if they can not offer the same rates to customers for the same rooms. People would just use booking.com to find availability and reviews, and then book with the hotel more cheaply
Some people might, and many already do (a lot of hotels work around it by offering discounts if you sign up on their website, which is effectively a discount for booking directly). But a big part of the allure of Booking and similar middlemen is the independent reviews, their guarantees, support, loyalty program and payment options. You even say it yourself , people use Booking because they trust them, so even if the price is a little higher people will still use them instead of booking with unknown hotels directly. Enforcing pricing is anti-competitive and anti-consumer. And the EU isn't trying to kill corporations, merely restrict their abuses and ensure a level playing field.
> find it very Soviet to state that a crime has been committed without mentioning what it is, and it's impressive that people here swallow it wholesale
I find it very American to not know what Soviet means or implies. For your information, regardless if you're American or not, in Soviet times, you'd get charged with an explicit crime. It'd just be a fake one with made up proof, but you know what's the supposed thing you did.
And Booking aren't charged with a crime. They're being designated as a gatekeeper, and will have extra responsibilities to ensure consumer protections. If they fail to comply, they'll be fined for explicit infractions.
It's also very American to try to preserve the rights of big corporations to fuck consumers. There are freedoms from and freedoms to. The latter need to be restricted on big corporations to prevent abuse, which would reinforce the former for regular people.
Re: EU commission designates Booking.com as a digital gatekeeper under DMA
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And is mostly coded in Perl...
I thought it was Java?
https://stackshare.io/booking-com/booking-com
This is a very old post, but you know how it is with legacy code.., Notice is r/perl
One of the Developers acknowledges more than 160 Developers doing Perl....
https://www.reddit.com/r/perl/comments/1mkdl4/what_exactly_i...
Re: EU commission designates Booking.com as a digital gatekeeper under DMA
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
What are you talking about? Using sales tactics is not the same as abusing your market position or unfair competition. As for the "Only X rooms remaining", those numbers are not lies. I could easily confirm that by comparing with my backend system when working as a hotel manager. Just because you (or the EU) don't like those texts, doesn't mean they are lies. Some people might even find them useful. > precluding hote…
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49740143 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47141538 Enjoy. Booking have been caught lying to pressure consumers. > Then you don't understand the industry. It is impossible for booking or any third party sellers to exist if they can not offer the same rates to customers for the same rooms. People would just use booking.com to find availability and reviews, and then book with the hot…
"Not all of the six companies had fallen foul of all four of these bad practices, the CMA said."
But fair enough, those "X people are looking at this room" are not admirable and if regulators say they have to go that's fine. My experience from the back-end is that booking.com do not lie about how many rooms are left or how many people have recently booked.
Some companies (not people) work around their contract with booking, it is true. The question is why they demand to be on booking then? They didn't build the customer base, they didn't build the trust. They are free to sell on their own if they want, it is their job to be as little dependent on third parties as they can.
> But a big part of the allure of Booking and similar middlemen is the independent reviews, their guarantees, support, loyalty program and payment options.
Customers can read the independent reviews, check availability and price without making a purchase. So if booking.com is forced to let any hotel offer cheaper rates outside, then every hotel will do it. Those independent reviews will start getting stale and booking.com will be destroyed or reduced to irrelevance. I couldn't be happier if that happens, since they are my competitors, but it's not exactly unfair.
> Enforcing pricing is anti-competitive and anti-consumer.
You can not let third parties compete with yourself on your own platform, think about it. Should independent sellers be allowed to set up their stalls inside of a supermarket? Should I be allowed to set up a booth and sell drinks to people inside someone else's bar? You might as well say that it's anti-consumer to allow hotels to sell their rooms more expensive on third party platforms, because that's what it is.
> I find it very American to not know what Soviet means or implies.
Soviet in this sense is that you have somebody you need to get rid off or punish, so you invent a crime. Like you wrote, so I won't have to go into that more.
> It's also very American to try to preserve the rights of big corporations to fuck consumers.
These third parties do a lot to protect consumers. If the EU was doing the same thing that booking.com does, then I believe hackers would sing their praise high in the sky. Now that it is a company, they're the devil instead.
Those hotels that have made themselves dependent on booking.com were dependent on other dominating third parties in their region before that. And those guys were not nice to deal with at all. They would abuse accommodation providers in a way that would make the worst jerk working at booking.com management blush. For small hosts, booking.com was a relief from that. Before that, dominant third party sellers would demand room allocation and only pay for what they used. Think how utterly nuts that is.
I stand by my opinion that regulations should be the same for all actors and have the purpose of combatting abusive practices – no matter who is doing it. Not to designate a company to be the enemy of the state and start biting their heels. If the EU regulators wants something to busy themselves with, they can legislate mandatory free cancellation times. This would be a huge benefit to consumers and would not hurt honest industry actors.
Big companies are generally bastards, but in the case of booking.com, I think they are walking a reasonable line. Especially since there are so many other ways hotels can reach their customers. Such as with their own digital presence, through Google Maps, through AirBnB, through any of the other million third parties. It is very easy for customers to avoid booking.com if the like.
Re: EU commission designates Booking.com as a digital gatekeeper under DMA
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No this happens a lot. The only reason is tax benefits. They do need an office with alike 10 employees and a flower in it though (to ensure there are actually people there lol), but that’s about it. So they either stay in NL, or do some sandwich with London or Dublin. It helps that the main Dutch party VVD is completely corrupt and only in there to enrich themselves.
>the main Dutch party VVD is completely corrupt and only in there to enrich themselves I dunno what your yardstick is in NL, but everywhere else I lived and have friends, every major political party is there only to enrich themselves and their lobbyists, and not to aid the people voting for them. Canada, Portugal, France, Germany, Austria, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, you name it, same shit everywhere: privatize the w…
Most parties have some corruption, but on general try to also help the country. Just not the VVD