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Mindfulness interventions for teens decrease mindfulness, study finds

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Re: Mindfulness interventions for teens decrease mindfulness, study finds

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

skissane wrote: post #44
Izkata wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> their attitude is more “asking tough questions is a sin” I don't think they went that far with me, but I did get frustration and telling me to stop asking questions. Pretty sure not being able to answer anything I came up with had me thinking it can't be true. And this was specifically in a religious education class we did once a week at a church separate from school.

> I don't think they went that far with me, but I did get frustration and telling me to stop asking questions. Pretty sure not being able to answer anything I came up with had me thinking it can't be true. If I could go back in a time machine and talk to a younger version of myself, I think I could give far more intelligent answers to my questions than anyone I asked could. Back in the Middle Ages, many of the smarte…

A big part of that is that the church had immense wealth and power and was one of the only avenues available for pursuing intellectual studies.

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Post by Terr_ »

roenxi wrote: post #21
Terr_ wrote: post #15

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I can't give a definitive answer since I'm not the parent poster, however, it makes sense to me: There are various areas in which "disruptors" have promised that their outsider approach would somehow revolutionize the status quo into something better, and either they flopped or it became arguably worse in the long run. A simple example might be how Theranos was going to innovate past stodgy medical companies and prov…

All that tells us is that some attempts at improvement fail. Which, while common, doesn't inform us about the whether making attempts is good. Startups give you as many attempts at improving a situation as there are people who can scrape together some capital. Improvements from within is capped at (#Existing Companies x %with functional management) which is a much smaller number of attempts. Improvements by regulatio…

I don't think they meant to say that all experimentation is bad, but rather to satirize a certain blend of overoptimistic tech-bro ideology that often pops up.

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Post by throwaway22032 »

gosub100 wrote: post #55
throwaway22032 wrote: post #27

As someone who grew up in the 90s, so many things seem to have changed to just cause a ton of anxiety that we didn't have when I was growing up. A typical day for me as a teenager would be to wake up, have breakfast (or maybe not), walk to school, strictly pen and paper work only, hang out with my friends at lunch. We might play Gameboy after school, the same game for weeks on end. If I wanted something to do I had t…

Can you imagine what kind of shit show the first presidential election will be with gen Z candidates? I'm not taking a dig at the generation, but the social media posts that will be unearthed by the opponent's campaign. I predict we'll see would be presidents get sacked at the 11th hour due to things they said on Myspace in 8th grade.

This stuff is super unpredictable to me.

In the US as far as I can tell the right wing has a "traditional" leader that has sex with prostitutes, and the left wing gets upset if you call a man a man.

It's basically random as to whether a completely reasonable opinion will be seen as verboten, or a completely bonkers opinion will be seen as okay, so I mean, who knows?

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Post by skissane »

Terr_ wrote: post #59
toasterlovin wrote: post #45

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> the average Catholic school is more likely to turn your child into an atheist than into a convinced Catholic Most serious Catholics I know agree with this, btw.

I'm sure that it features prominently in some people's life paths, but this kind of conclusion really demands statistics before it becomes an unexamined truism. For example, the N-years-latee Catholic versus atheist ratio among graduated students, and what we would expect it to be from a secular school after controlling for variables like socioeconomic status and parent's religion.

I, all my siblings, the majority of my cousins, graduated from Catholic high schools. How many of us, and how many of our classmates, are serious Catholics? And how many total strangers, who went to completely different Catholic high schools in completely different decades–even on completely different continents–tell largely the same tale?

Yes, data is not the plural of anecdote–but sometimes the anecdotes pile up so high, it becomes rather implausible that the data is going to tell a substantially different story.

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Post by gary_0 »

harry8 wrote: post #4

Religious studies fails to make kids more religious. Abstinence programs taught in schools fail to increase celibacy. Health programs fail to dent mcdonalds market share. Arithmetic fails to stop people taking on unnecessary and punitive debt. The point being pushing things (good, bad or ugly) in schools often doesn't work out as hoped. Schooling is not a solved problem but it is a very crude tool used badly and ofte…

Maybe because kids aren't stupid and they can tell Western society doesn't practice real piety, doesn't respect celibacy, doesn't care about the health of its citizens, and glorifies recklessness over studious caution?

You can't preach what you don't practice.

(Hopefully I don't sound like I'm criticizing Western decadence too much. I'm actually a big fan of decadence!)

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Post by defiamazing »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #35

The more you vent, the more stressed you become. The key isn’t learning all these little tricks, it’s learning to persevere. Our society is so weak that the idea of mental toughness is shunned as “toxic masculinity” or whatever but the fact is depression and suicide rates have soared as we’ve gotten away from the idea that toughness is good. Have heroes. Don’t allow yourself to whine. Aim for victory. In the process…

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Post by whatshisface »

gary_0 wrote: post #65
harry8 wrote: post #4

Religious studies fails to make kids more religious. Abstinence programs taught in schools fail to increase celibacy. Health programs fail to dent mcdonalds market share. Arithmetic fails to stop people taking on unnecessary and punitive debt. The point being pushing things (good, bad or ugly) in schools often doesn't work out as hoped. Schooling is not a solved problem but it is a very crude tool used badly and ofte…

Maybe because kids aren't stupid and they can tell Western society doesn't practice real piety, doesn't respect celibacy, doesn't care about the health of its citizens, and glorifies recklessness over studious caution? You can't preach what you don't practice. (Hopefully I don't sound like I'm criticizing Western decadence too much. I'm actually a big fan of decadence!)

What you're doing is criticizing decadence from an epicurean perspective.
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