Proton Mail discloses user data leading to arrest in Spain

Post by behringer » Tue, May 07, 2024, 3:42 AM UTC

newscracker wrote: post #54

oooyay wrote: post #31

I dislike that a website with privacy in the name collides privacy and anonymity. Privacy does not protect you from the state. Privacy is good enough to protect you from the public . If you are doing battle with or an enemy of the state, much less an agent of the state acting in bad faith simple privacy will do nothing for you. Worse your misunderstanding of it is actually a vector, like in this case. The measures fo…

You seem to be confusing privacy with practicality. In practice, nothing is ever secure, nothing is ever private and nothing is ever safe. What matters here is what Proton promises and advertises to users/potential users vs. what it can actually deliver. I don’t know if Proton is more open about this, but hopefully this isn’t just buried in some long Terms of Service that almost nobody reads.

Post by matheusmoreira » Tue, May 07, 2024, 3:52 AM UTC

dathinab wrote: post #43

oooyay wrote: post #31

I dislike that a website with privacy in the name collides privacy and anonymity. Privacy does not protect you from the state. Privacy is good enough to protect you from the public . If you are doing battle with or an enemy of the state, much less an agent of the state acting in bad faith simple privacy will do nothing for you. Worse your misunderstanding of it is actually a vector, like in this case. The measures fo…

Privacy is also meant to protect you from the state, or more specifically state abuse. It's an essential aspect of privacy. Like privacy is also meant to e.g. not disclose topics you have communicated about so that it can't be abused against you. For example there is a long history of states persecuting people for idk. being gay, believing in a certain religion or being a journalist which was involved in a unpleasant…

  gpg --armor --export-secret-keys "${USER_ID}" | import-into-proton-mail

  gpg --armor --export-secret-subkeys "${PROTON_ENCR_SUBKEY_ID}!" | import-into-proton-mail
  gpg --armor --export-secret-subkeys "${PROTON_SIGN_SUBKEY_ID}!" | import-into-proton-mail

Post by 0xmohit » Tue, May 07, 2024, 4:10 AM UTC

    This case is particularly noteworthy because it involves a series of
    requests across different jurisdictions and companies, highlighting the
    complex interplay between technology firms, user privacy, and law
    enforcement.  The requests were made under the guise of anti-terrorism
    laws, despite the primary activities of the Democratic Tsunami involving
    protests and roadblocks, which raises questions about the proportionality
    and justification of such measures.

Post by ta988 » Tue, May 07, 2024, 4:32 AM UTC

matheusmoreira wrote: post #63

dathinab wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Privacy is also meant to protect you from the state, or more specifically state abuse. It's an essential aspect of privacy. Like privacy is also meant to e.g. not disclose topics you have communicated about so that it can't be abused against you. For example there is a long history of states persecuting people for idk. being gay, believing in a certain religion or being a journalist which was involved in a unpleasant…

Some interesting facts about Proton Mail. It generates OpenPGP keys on their own servers, and if you want to use your own keys their instructions show users how to upload upload their entire OpenPGP secret keychain to Proton Mail. Not just encryption/signing subkeys, the master key also needs to be included. I've emailed them to ask that they fix this. I also created a post on their user voice thing about it. https:/…

Post by RachelF » Tue, May 07, 2024, 4:36 AM UTC

lolmao wrote: post #2

Switzerland has laws? Did Proton lie to us?