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Discord Applying Forced Arbitration - opt-out before it is too late!

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Re: Discord Applying Forced Arbitration - opt-out before it is too late!

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Post by a_random_canuck »

jkaplowitz wrote: post #31
malka wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the info. Just in case, I setup a script to send a daily mail to arbitration-opt-out@discord.com

Risky … if it’s automated, they could argue that you’re not actually making a conscious decision and/or not actually doing it yourself, claiming that it doesn’t apply or isn’t an unambiguous indication of your intent to knowingly opt out of whatever the next revision of the arbitration clause may be. It’s far more unclear how that would play out in (US) court than with a manual opt-out once per account per terms of s…

A funny argument to make when the “contract” is entirely automated, without negotiation or consideration.

Such agreements should not be enforceable in the first place.

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Post by rabbits77 »

I am generally against forced arbitration, so I understand the push back against this. Then again, and maybe I am just overly tired right now, but I cannot imagine a scenario where I would be involved in any sort of legal action whatsoever against a chat server company? Can someone share with me a plausible example of where this would come into play for an ordinary user?

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Post by bugglebeetle »

xyst wrote: post #53
fuomag9 wrote: post #43

Me in the EU: and nothing of value was lost (since I literally can’t lose my right to sue them) When is the USA going to realise that allowing companies to behave like this shouldn’t be allowed?

> When is the USA going to realise that allowing companies to behave like this shouldn’t be allowed? When this country stops fighting amongst itself over {race | skin color | wealth status | consumerism | brand loyalty | political affiliation} and aim our collective anger at companies, lobbyists, oil and gas, billionaires, and 0.01%. AKA the true people that end up writing our laws.

> When this country stops fighting amongst itself over wealth status

> and aim our collective anger at companies, lobbyists, oil and gas, billionaires

A deeply confused argument.

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Post by ronsor »

foresto wrote: post #57
Akronymus wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know a few students who are required to use discord due to the teacher distributing courae work over it.

It makes me sad to learn that someone's education is locked behind Discord's Terms of Service and Privacy Policy.

Wait until you learn how much education is locked behind Google's Terms of Service and Privacy Policy, or Microsoft's...

Re: Discord Applying Forced Arbitration - opt-out before it is too late!

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Post by ronsor »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #63
xyst wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When is the USA going to realise that allowing companies to behave like this shouldn’t be allowed? When this country stops fighting amongst itself over {race | skin color | wealth status | consumerism | brand loyalty | political affiliation} and aim our collective anger at companies, lobbyists, oil and gas, billionaires, and 0.01%. AKA the true people that end up writing our laws.

> When this country stops fighting amongst itself over wealth status > and aim our collective anger at companies, lobbyists, oil and gas, billionaires A deeply confused argument.

It's not that confused. A fast food employee has more in common with a random tech worker than the latter does with someone like Elon Musk.

What the commenter meant is almost certainly "stop infighting in the lower and middle classes".

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Post by wongarsu »

rabbits77 wrote: post #62

I am generally against forced arbitration, so I understand the push back against this. Then again, and maybe I am just overly tired right now, but I cannot imagine a scenario where I would be involved in any sort of legal action whatsoever against a chat server company? Can someone share with me a plausible example of where this would come into play for an ordinary user?

Privacy violations, not adequately protecting your data, defamation, selling sensitive information you discussed on discord, ... There are a lot of crimes you can commit when entrusted with other people's communication. It's not just gamers on there, some companies use them as a slack alternative, people use them for private chats with other people where you might mention sensitive information, there are lots of communities of all sexual orientations and fetishes where making that data public could legitimately hurt the user.

Of course the reason everyone suspects is because a website that sells Discord chat logs became very well known. Basically you tell them a username and they scrape Discord servers, and if you tell them a user name they sell you everything they know about that person. This might have been a wakeup call for Discord regarding their potential legal liability.

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Post by thfuran »

wongarsu wrote: post #66
rabbits77 wrote: post #62

I am generally against forced arbitration, so I understand the push back against this. Then again, and maybe I am just overly tired right now, but I cannot imagine a scenario where I would be involved in any sort of legal action whatsoever against a chat server company? Can someone share with me a plausible example of where this would come into play for an ordinary user?

Privacy violations, not adequately protecting your data, defamation, selling sensitive information you discussed on discord, ... There are a lot of crimes you can commit when entrusted with other people's communication. It's not just gamers on there, some companies use them as a slack alternative, people use them for private chats with other people where you might mention sensitive information, there are lots of comm…

>Privacy violations, not adequately protecting your data, defamation, selling sensitive information you discussed on discord, ... There are a lot of crimes you can commit when entrusted with other people's communication

Aside from defamation, which I can't really imagine actually occurring here, are any of those actually crimes? They just sound like dick moves.

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Post by [deleted] »

ronsor wrote: post #65
bugglebeetle wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When this country stops fighting amongst itself over wealth status > and aim our collective anger at companies, lobbyists, oil and gas, billionaires A deeply confused argument.

It's not that confused. A fast food employee has more in common with a random tech worker than the latter does with someone like Elon Musk. What the commenter meant is almost certainly "stop infighting in the lower and middle classes".

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