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Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was on Ozempic, I just didn't want the milkshake. It rewires all reward centers.

But it still doesn't sound like a sustainable lifetime solution. I think it makes great sense if you're badly out of shape, you fix it, and then you can maintain a healthy weight. But going on ozempic every few years sounds really bad.

> doesn’t sound like a sustainable lifetime solution

Would you same the same thing about insulin or statins or even caffeine? Why couldn’t something like Ozempic be something you take long term?

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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post #15

Re: "mounting concern" about the profits of processed food & tobacco companies, here you are also the 2018 classic of the genre: > Goldman Sachs asks in biotech research report: ‘Is curing patients a sustainable business model?’ https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patie...

Can't wait for 2034 Goldman Sachs report: "Can we sell cocaine to toddlers?", "Can we re-lead the water? People are too smart anyway"

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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I'm not very familiar with the approval process for new drugs, but as far as I know it involves some initial step where the safety is assessed, and then the effectiveness. But I don't think either of those are actually long term processes (like, longer than 5 years). So it scares me a bit when something like Ozepmic pops up and tons of people jump on it, without knowing the long term effects that might appear. I read…

The status quo (obesity) is extremely dangerous, so whatever potential danger you're thinking may exist would have to exceed that.

Unless that's a false dichotomy. Obesity can be treated in less harmful ways. Companies can be regulated into only including a safe amount of sugar in drinks and foods that arent considered sweets

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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post #15

Re: "mounting concern" about the profits of processed food & tobacco companies, here you are also the 2018 classic of the genre: > Goldman Sachs asks in biotech research report: ‘Is curing patients a sustainable business model?’ https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patie...

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Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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post #41

I'm not very familiar with the approval process for new drugs, but as far as I know it involves some initial step where the safety is assessed, and then the effectiveness. But I don't think either of those are actually long term processes (like, longer than 5 years). So it scares me a bit when something like Ozepmic pops up and tons of people jump on it, without knowing the long term effects that might appear. I read…

> So it scares me a bit when something like Ozepmic pops up and tons of people jump on it, without knowing the long term effects that might appear. It isn't that different from what happened with vapes and e-cigs, and they were even worse (nicotine-based, explicitly harmful).

I’m not sure I understand your point. Vapes and e-cigs are less dangerous to your health than regular tobacco cigarettes.

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As Chairman of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions (HELP), I am calling on Novo Nordisk to lower the list price of Ozempic – and the related drug Wegovy – in America to no more than what they charge for this drug in Canada. I'm not aware of how legislation works in US but I feel like a senator should have more power than just "calling on" a company?

They do, they can propose and vote on legislation. And some budgetary and people nominating powers.

1000 a month per patients will handily fund an awful lot of high priced lobbyists. Such congressional proclamations are arguably just a clarion call to K Street

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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I'm not very familiar with the approval process for new drugs, but as far as I know it involves some initial step where the safety is assessed, and then the effectiveness. But I don't think either of those are actually long term processes (like, longer than 5 years). So it scares me a bit when something like Ozepmic pops up and tons of people jump on it, without knowing the long term effects that might appear. I read…

No, not at all. While I think we have a pretty fantastic drug approval process (that got a frustratingly bad rap for all the wrong reasons during covid), long term consequences will remain to be seen.

It's just that these considerations run up against a very solid understanding of how much death is caused by being overweight and having high blood pressure.

Right now, Ozempic does not have to be very good, to be most likely a lot better than the alternative.

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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post #15

Re: "mounting concern" about the profits of processed food & tobacco companies, here you are also the 2018 classic of the genre: > Goldman Sachs asks in biotech research report: ‘Is curing patients a sustainable business model?’ https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patie...

The actual report (not linked to by CNBC of course) says

The potential to deliver “one shot cures” is one of the most attractive aspects of gene therapy, genetically-engineered cell therapy and gene editing. However, such treatments offer a very different outlook with regard to recurring revenue versus chronic therapies, particularly in certain diseases where it is possible to cure a large proportion of the prevalent patient pool (or at least prevent an additional dose from being required for an extended period). While this proposition carries tremendous value for patients and society, it could represent a challenge for genome medicine developers looking for sustained cash flow. GILD is a case in point, where the success of its hepatitis C franchise has gradually exhausted the available pool of treatable patients. We highlight several potential solutions for these genome medicine companies to sustain an attractive profile. Solution 1: Address large markets: Hemophilia is a $9-10bn WW market (hemophilia A, B), growing at ~6-7% annually. We estimate that the hemophilia A market currently represents ~$6.5bn, while hemophilia B is ~$1.2bn. Solution 2: Address disorders with high incidence: Spinal muscular atrophy (SMA) affects the cells (neurons) in the spinal cord, impacting the ability to walk, eat, or breathe. It is the leading genetic cause of death in infants. SMA affects ~1 in 11k babies, and 1 in 50 individuals in the US is a genetic carrier. Cancer is also a sustainable market given the patient population is almost entirely incident driven. Solution 3: Constant innovation and portfolio expansion: There are hundreds of inherited retinal diseases (genetics forms of blindness). Once a gene therapy is approved for a genetic eye disease, the validated platform could be used to quickly develop many more eye-based gene therapies. Pace of innovation will also play a role as future programs can offset the declining revenue trajectory of prior assets.

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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> A policy of cost-restriction and access guarantees would bring massive public health benefits. Ah yes price controls, the best way to keep something inaccessible to everyone except those with personal connections.

For many (most?) drugs, the actual cost to produce the drug is usually far less than the selling price as it is an enforced monopoly. Given that monopoly, price restrictions don't actually restrict supply as the single supplier will still try to sell as much as they can to make as much as they can.

It probably wouldn’t have much of an impact on the sales or marketing of this product, but it’d definitely have significant impacts on drug manufacturers’ future plans (by reducing expected ROI & discouraging the development of ‘marginal drugs’).

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Ozempic costs $1000/month (in the US) but $5/month to manufacture [0]. I think if this drug and others are to have a significant anti-consumption effect on other companies it needs to be vastly more accessible, which first requires more accessible healthcare in the US, which is unlikely to happen. Also it's an injection, which raises the barrier. If drugs like these become orally administered and over-the-counter, th…

You can buy pharmacy compounded semaglutide through online portals, e.g. Ro It's $450/month out of pocket (no insurance coverage) Therefor, there will actually be price competition and we should see pretty cheap prices in the coming years. I'm not sure exactly why pharmacies are free to compound it independently. I guess whatever patents exist on Ozempic/Wegovy etc aren't sufficient to squash competition. The $1000/m…

There are dangers/risks to buying pharmacy compounded semaglutide -- not really a great thing to recommend widely. It's hard to depend on whatever pharmacy people might be able to find locally or through some hopefully trustworthy portal.

That said, with China and more notably India entering the GLP1 RA race, there will be much cheaper options very soon, hopefully!

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