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Jimmy Carter UFO Incident
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#62"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?
I know, right? Of course, the American Electorate was quick to rectify its accidental moment of sanity by promptly voting him out after he installed Volcker and hiked rates to the moon (and then rewriting history to say that Carter was a bad president and Reagan tamed inflation). He was not the president we deserved, but he was the president we needed.
Carter is straight up the best president we’ve had since FDR and yes I will die on that hill, specifically I will die on the hill which says that Carter was way better than JFK.
Carter is straight up the best individual person we have elected in 100+ years. Glad to see at least HN agrees that he was based.
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#63While the link itself is not political, it seems to be inviting the people who want to turn HN into a place where they can say why their preferred candidate is the best, or more typically why the other candidate is just about the worst person in human history. HN is better when politics are discussed elsewhere. > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity.
This was a discussion about historic presidents. It certainly interested me, as a person who is curious about American history of the late 70s and early 80s. If there were any politics in that discussion—I’m sure there were, it is hard to leave politics out of interpretations of history—they didn’t affect the thread in a way that made it less interesting.
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Biden nailed the state of the union speech so well that republicans accused him of being on stimulants. He was specifically called “over caffeinated” by hannity. He’s literally not sleepy joe, and “Zion don” would best stop throwing stones while they live in glass houses.
Meanwhile we have this fking gem from trump circa 2016 and he’s only gotten less coherent:
“ Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible."
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#65Too bad the aliens stopped visiting so prominently the moment camera phones became ubiquitous.
There are absolutely scads of purported "lights in the sky" style UFO videos taken from mobile phones on the prominent UFO subreddits. I personally put zero faith in them, because quite a few are obvious fakes, and the rest are just completely unverifiable, so they are not worth thinking about. But there's no shortage of modern-day pictures and videos...
> But there's no shortage of modern-day pictures and videos...
...of things that turn out not to be aliens, which is the OP's point.
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#66I want the aliens to be real so much. But even if it doesn't turn out to be aliens, these sorts of events present an opportunity to study and explore as-of-yet unexplored or poorly understood phenomenon, which can be equally exciting. In particular, this example seems to be explained as follows: > In 2020, Justus completed an extensive study of the high-altitude barium release clouds, concluding that what Carter saw…
> I want the aliens to be real so much. But even if it doesn't turn out to be aliens, these sorts of events present an opportunity to study and explore as-of-yet unexplored or poorly understood phenomenon, which can be equally exciting. One of the main reasons why the UFO crowd discredits itself is the way that the crazies in the community are overrepresented, and look at "this flying object is not identified" and au…
That's part of the campaign to discredit what others see and to encourage anyone who sees something to keep quiet.
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#67"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?
>his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft One of our known scientific facts is that we know our understanding physics is incomplete (namely, QCD and GR are incompatible), so obviously we can never put 100% confidence into Carter's negative claim. This is just Epistemology 101, and totally uncontroversial. For all people, our perceptions are influenced by what…
The first day of epistemology 101 (it wasn't actually a 100 series course) the initial exercise was to spot the flaws in Descarté's arguments. So yes, we can't even know (know used in the epistemological sense) that we ourselves exist, so everything else is just gradations of levels of justification and belief. Some explanations have more justification than others.
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#68While the link itself is not political, it seems to be inviting the people who want to turn HN into a place where they can say why their preferred candidate is the best, or more typically why the other candidate is just about the worst person in human history. HN is better when politics are discussed elsewhere. > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity.
This was a discussion about historic presidents. It certainly interested me, as a person who is curious about American history of the late 70s and early 80s. If there were any politics in that discussion—I’m sure there were, it is hard to leave politics out of interpretations of history—they didn’t affect the thread in a way that made it less interesting.
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Although this characterization does not represent a lot of the analyses, and I think it's silly to "homogenize" a group of people and misrepresent them via stereotype. Isn't that a definition of discrimination? That seems to be very silly. Haha! :) Anyway, analysis focuses on "5 unexplainable observables" like : lift without control surfaces, instant acceleration, low observability, hypersonics without signatures, tr…
> Although this characterization does not represent a lot of the analyses, and I think it's silly to "homogenize" a group of people and misrepresent them via stereotype. You certainly aren't being serious. The term UFO has been so abused by crackpots and conspiracy loons that it managed to be synonymous with unbelievable reports of aliens.
I see this frequently asserted, but rarely substantiated.
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#70"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?
>his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft One of our known scientific facts is that we know our understanding physics is incomplete (namely, QCD and GR are incompatible), so obviously we can never put 100% confidence into Carter's negative claim. This is just Epistemology 101, and totally uncontroversial. For all people, our perceptions are influenced by what…
You're just making a long winded argument from ignorance, and strawmanning what Carter said. He said his knowledge influenced his belief. That is different from saying he knew it wasn't possible.