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Re: US moves to force ByteDance to sell TikTok

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Post by dudisubekti »

TMWNN wrote: post #54
dudisubekti wrote: post #7

Tiktok probably will move out of US market then US market is great to have, but there is still the rest of the world too

>Tiktok probably will move out of US market then When the Trump administration came close to forcing a divestment/shutdown on TikTok in 2020,^1 Americans were 10% of TikTok's user base but 50% of revenue. Of the top 50 most-followed accounts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-followed_TikTok_a... >, 21 of 50 are American. ^1 And boy, do Democrats who shouted Orange Man Bad back then now wish they had supporte…

Yeah I’m sure it hurts Bytedance if they lose the US market, which is why they broadcasted the call to action to US Tiktokers before.

But that’s life, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

Re: US moves to force ByteDance to sell TikTok

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Post by nickthegreek »

happymellon wrote: post #25
quonn wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn‘t really make sense financially. It would be more reasonable to sell.

How does owning a company and making money, just not in one country, not make sense vs. not owning a company and letting other people make money?

The good American content would be gone, which is a large part of it making money.

Re: US moves to force ByteDance to sell TikTok

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Post by RamblingCTO »

datadeft wrote: post #15
RamblingCTO wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's pretty agreed upon that for capitalism to work you need some limitations. This argument is just snarky tbh. We all know that the US has agencies checking monopolies.

Like enforcing safety standards? These are the “limitations” that the US erodes right now in favour of profits.

Even better point than anti-trust!

Re: US moves to force ByteDance to sell TikTok

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Post by nickthegreek »

andrewinardeer wrote: post #57
quonn wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would TikTok collect ad revenue if it‘s illegal in the US? Furthermore, a US judge could presumably just order to take down their DNS globally. Furthermore they can presumably compel Apple and Google to remove the app from the store.

What would stop them from publishing an APK to download?

Nothing, but they couldn't monetize the eyeballs. So they would just be bleeding money for no reason.

Re: US moves to force ByteDance to sell TikTok

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Post by nozzlegear »

flandish wrote: post #51
nozzlegear wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain?

Americans are not really free. Some have only been “free” less than 100 years.

Can you define "free" as you see it today, without giving me some kind of anti-capitalist rant?

> Some have only been “free” less than 100 years.

And what about now? Yes, they should've been free from the start. We fought a civil war over this. If you want to hold countries to the standard of the things they've done in the past, then you're ignoring some very big gorillas in the room by pointing your finger at the USA.

Re: US moves to force ByteDance to sell TikTok

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Post by flandish »

nozzlegear wrote: post #65
flandish wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans are not really free. Some have only been “free” less than 100 years.

Can you define "free" as you see it today, without giving me some kind of anti-capitalist rant? > Some have only been “free” less than 100 years. And what about now? Yes, they should've been free from the start. We fought a civil war over this. If you want to hold countries to the standard of the things they've done in the past, then you're ignoring some very big gorillas in the room by pointing your finger at the US…

Your requirement of my definition not being anti-capitalist is tough because it is capitalist to endure some people are not free. Work conditions to for-profit prisons with a “war on drugs” building the prison pop are examples.

It is very telling that concern over freedom shows first in your reply as “yeah but capitalism.”

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Post by [deleted] »

whearyou wrote: post #41

This is getting the most extreme social mind control tool mankind has ever created out of the hands of a government that did Tianemen Square and is doing the Uygers right now. A government who controls all under its purview with an iron fist, and shares absolutely zero common interests with any young person in the west. The resistance to it on this forum, of all places, is kind of incredible.

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Re: US moves to force ByteDance to sell TikTok

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Post by nozzlegear »

flandish wrote: post #66
nozzlegear wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you define "free" as you see it today, without giving me some kind of anti-capitalist rant? > Some have only been “free” less than 100 years. And what about now? Yes, they should've been free from the start. We fought a civil war over this. If you want to hold countries to the standard of the things they've done in the past, then you're ignoring some very big gorillas in the room by pointing your finger at the US…

Your requirement of my definition not being anti-capitalist is tough because it is capitalist to endure some people are not free. Work conditions to for-profit prisons with a “war on drugs” building the prison pop are examples. It is very telling that concern over freedom shows first in your reply as “yeah but capitalism.”

For what it's worth, I agree about for-profit prisons. Working against them is a personal pet project of mine, so I was happy to see Biden terminate federal contracts with for-profit prisons in his first month as President [1]. There's still plenty of them out there, but progress is progress.

> It is very telling that concern over freedom shows first in your reply as “yeah but capitalism.”

No, I just had a look at your previous comments and recognized a tired pattern one finds repeated ad nauseam by wannabe communists on Reddit. I didn't feel like making a comment that would just get a reply along the lines of "you've activated my anti-capitalism trap card".

[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/biden-s-order-terminates...

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