Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Google’s newly formed 'Platforms and Devices' team is all about AI

theverge.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

61–70 of 195 posts

Re: Google’s newly formed 'Platforms and Devices' team is all about AI

#61

Post by dheera »

coldtea wrote: post #57
dheera wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's a conflict of interest because the person Samsung is talking to to have a feature implemented into the OS baseline may be the same person in charge of defining the competitive featureset for the next Google hardware. The person can run two threads in their brain, one that deals with Samsung and one that deals with the internal product. > Now this person knows that the product he and his team is designing will c…

> The person can run two threads in their brain, one that deals with Samsung and one that deals with the internal product. There's a reason we don't make a police chief investigate their own misconduct. "It's a perfectly OK thing to do. The person is just the host hardware. There can be multiple threads running on that hardware at the same time. They can run two threads in their brain, one that deals with investigati…

If there's accusation of misconduct, there's a bug in the system so you isolate it and investigate it from the outside.

There's no investigation happening here, just two happy parties trying to create great products that can both be successful and be even happier. Lawyers can stay out of this happiness, inventing and injecting "conflicts" that never existed in the first place.

Re: Google’s newly formed 'Platforms and Devices' team is all about AI

#62

Post by Groxx »

ceejayoz wrote: post #52
aerotwelve wrote: post #51

> Under Rick Osterloh, a new platforms and devices team will be dedicated to bringing AI to your phone, your TV, and everything else that runs Android. Who is asking for this? Why can't they just make their search engine work again?

> Who is asking for this? Anyone who regularly uses Siri or "Hey, Google".

You mean the thing that requires an internet connection or it doesn't work?

And probably will continue needing internet for the foreseeable future, regardless of how many mobile Tensor-chips they develop, because cloud data and compute power will always be orders of magnitude better than your phone?

That's the thing they need specialized mobile-hardware teams involved for?

Re: Google’s newly formed 'Platforms and Devices' team is all about AI

#63

Post by pjmlp »

rickdeckard wrote: post #49
pjmlp wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It took off for Sony and Ericsson.

What took off? (Sony) Ericsson used UIQ, a pen-based OS built on top of the core of Symbian foundation. Nokia developed Series60, a key-based OS built on top of a Symbian core. They were not compatible operating systems, and most of all Ericsson didn't license it from Nokia.

As Nokia alumni I disagree.

They weren't compatible at UI widgets level, but were at the underlying layers.

It is like telling Samsung, Huawei or Xiomi aren't Android, because they use another GUI framework on top of AOSP.

And as many Android developers are painfully aware, that isn't the only customisations to AOSP standard behaviours.

Re: Google’s newly formed 'Platforms and Devices' team is all about AI

#64

Post by summerlight »

aerotwelve wrote: post #51

> Under Rick Osterloh, a new platforms and devices team will be dedicated to bringing AI to your phone, your TV, and everything else that runs Android. Who is asking for this? Why can't they just make their search engine work again?

Or maybe, is it even a possible scenario that different teams are working on different products?

Re: Google’s newly formed 'Platforms and Devices' team is all about AI

#65

Post by Rinzler89 »

jpalawaga wrote: post #42
rurp wrote: post #35

I recently got a new Pixel phone and Google's much hyped new AI features just seem so... gimmicky. One of the setup examples shows how you can circle a tent on the left side of a picture and move it more to the center. Neat, I guess? It's kind of a fun toy but I'm not sure what problem this is actually solving. I'm sure there are some usecases for this out there, but it's not a capability I have ever found myself wis…

honestly, it seems like every phone has its broken quirks. I recently switched from iphone to android and there's still a random collection of everyday things I do that are simply... broken. Maybe these devices have become so complicated they're simply too challenging to work out all of the edge cases out of. New features are easier.

>Maybe these devices have become so complicated they're simply too challenging to work out all of the edge cases out of. New features are easier.

With the amount of telemetry and data Google is collecting I doubt they can't catch edge cases, let alone recurrent bugs that impact multiple users.

I wanted to buy a Pixel on sale last week but I watched a 6 month long term review of the Pixel and the reviewer complained that every new update fixed some bugs but added it's own new bugs.

It's why I'm still gonna keep using a phone that stopped getting updates over a year ago: it's finally stable and no more new bugs are being introduced by updates, as my mind and muscle memory has already adapted to the old bugs.

Maybe I'm getting old but while 10 years ago I couldn't wait for new major updates to arrive on my phone, I feel like phone SW has peaked a few years ago and has been on a constant decline ever since, with new updates just adding useless crap that bugs you and changing things for the sake of change without improving them, and I would much rather have a phone that only updates security but nothing else. Basically I don't want my phone to be a Googler's playground and me being the beta-tester.

Re: Google’s newly formed 'Platforms and Devices' team is all about AI

#66

Post by Groxx »

resource_waste wrote: post #44

I basically forgot that Google made Android. Are they really making major contributions? Seems like Mobile OS are basically stagnant.

It gets less and less stable with every major upgrade, if that counts. Achieving that takes effort.

Re: Google’s newly formed 'Platforms and Devices' team is all about AI

#67

Post by ceejayoz »

Groxx wrote: post #62
ceejayoz wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who is asking for this? Anyone who regularly uses Siri or "Hey, Google".

You mean the thing that requires an internet connection or it doesn't work? And probably will continue needing internet for the foreseeable future, regardless of how many mobile Tensor-chips they develop, because cloud data and compute power will always be orders of magnitude better than your phone? That's the thing they need specialized mobile-hardware teams involved for?

> You mean the thing that requires an internet connection or it doesn't work?

The AI? Or the phone?

Re: Google’s newly formed 'Platforms and Devices' team is all about AI

#68

Post by Terr_ »

ceejayoz wrote: post #52
aerotwelve wrote: post #51

> Under Rick Osterloh, a new platforms and devices team will be dedicated to bringing AI to your phone, your TV, and everything else that runs Android. Who is asking for this? Why can't they just make their search engine work again?

> Who is asking for this? Anyone who regularly uses Siri or "Hey, Google".

Nah, I want them to first fix the basic shit I actually (would) use.

For example, when I'm driving and a timed phone alarm goes off for the Android phone in my pocket, I ask it to silence the alarm, yet instead rebukes me by falsely claiming no alarms are active right now.

It's fixed now that I checked, but for a while it would also secretly ignore the date that I already specified for a scheduled event while it was prompting me to clarify the time of day.

Re: Google’s newly formed 'Platforms and Devices' team is all about AI

#69

Post by olyjohn »

jpalawaga wrote: post #42
rurp wrote: post #35

I recently got a new Pixel phone and Google's much hyped new AI features just seem so... gimmicky. One of the setup examples shows how you can circle a tent on the left side of a picture and move it more to the center. Neat, I guess? It's kind of a fun toy but I'm not sure what problem this is actually solving. I'm sure there are some usecases for this out there, but it's not a capability I have ever found myself wis…

honestly, it seems like every phone has its broken quirks. I recently switched from iphone to android and there's still a random collection of everyday things I do that are simply... broken. Maybe these devices have become so complicated they're simply too challenging to work out all of the edge cases out of. New features are easier.

Not to mention all the Google shit on Android is just constantly harassing you. LOOK HERE, LOOK THERE, SET UP THIS, SET UP THAT, TURN THIS ON, TURN THAT ON, GIVE US FEEDBACK, SYNC NOW, SIGN IN TO GOOGLE, LET US SCAN YOUR PHONE FOR YOUR SAFETY, SIGN IN FOR SECURITY, SYNC YOUR PHOTOS, SYNC YOUR DRIVE, USE AI FOR THIS, HERES HOW YOU DO THIS THING BECAUSE ITS NOT OBVIOUS AND WE SUCK AT UI, GET UPDATES, WE DISABLED PERMISSIONS ON OLD APPS, WE DID THIS FOR YOU, WE DID THAT FOR YOU, POST PICTURES OF YOUR RECENT HOME DEPOT TRIP.

Jesus christ, I've had to dismiss at least 20 different popup things just in the Messages app since I reset my phone a few days ago. Just fuck off already!

And guess what. After resetting the phone, I still can only make a successful outgoing phone call 1 out of every 3 tries, and it will only work after a reboot. It worked fine after the reset for about a day. Now, again, it barely works as a phone.

Rodney Dangerfield was right. There is no fucking respect for the people using the phones. There is only respect for the stocks going up. Fuck you and give us money, that's what smartphones are all about.

Yesterday I ordered a Nokia flip phone. I'm done with iOS and Android. It has added nothing to my life except distractions and maintenance. I spent 3 days trying to get this piece of trash to work as a phone. Just a total waste of my life.

Re: Google’s newly formed 'Platforms and Devices' team is all about AI

#70

Post by badgersnake »

ceejayoz wrote: post #52
aerotwelve wrote: post #51

> Under Rick Osterloh, a new platforms and devices team will be dedicated to bringing AI to your phone, your TV, and everything else that runs Android. Who is asking for this? Why can't they just make their search engine work again?

> Who is asking for this? Anyone who regularly uses Siri or "Hey, Google".

So nobody.
Post reply on HN