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Half of Ireland's young people have low level of mental wellbeing

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Re: Half of Ireland's young people have low level of mental wellbeing

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

negamax wrote: post #33
rsynnott wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All of that money was thrown into the welfare pit. Largely bailing out the banks, actually. Debt fell to practically nothing prior to the financial crisis, then leapt up, and has been kinda flat ever since. So, I mean, arguably welfare for the rich? We were arguably over-generous with the banks. > What does Ireland has to show for such a large government employees. Health service is in tatters, so is housing. Again…

Please visit https://whereyourmoneygoes.gov.ie/en/ Welfare dependency in Ireland is of another level. 4% figure is cooked by engaging people into government skill programs

Isn’t the debt then also cooked because the majority was from a government provided bailout program for the banks?

Re: Half of Ireland's young people have low level of mental wellbeing

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Post by basisword »

throwaway55671 wrote: post #57
basisword wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So about half of the debt per capita of the US?

Per capita is a dumb indicator for this, though. USA has GDP in tens of trillions. Ireland has 47 times less than that.

I agree but it's the dumb indicator OP decided to use.

Re: Half of Ireland's young people have low level of mental wellbeing

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Post by negamax »

padjo wrote: post #59
negamax wrote: post #8

Ireland should be an international study about how a state destroyed itself by running a gigantic welfare state despite all of world's money pouring into it Almost €300B national debt. Government is giving free houses, money to people who don't work. It's the only relatively wealthy European country with unlimited dole. And people make a lifestyle out of living on welfare forever. This is despite huge corporation tax…

“A largely foreign born workforce” what right wing talking points claptrap is this?

That's no different than saying most/all corporations are foreign owned. Why is that a right wing claptrap? Irish right wingers are the dumbest people on the planet. Living off the foreign population in one of the largest welfare state

Re: Half of Ireland's young people have low level of mental wellbeing

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Post by rsynnott »

WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #54
negamax wrote: post #8

Ireland should be an international study about how a state destroyed itself by running a gigantic welfare state despite all of world's money pouring into it Almost €300B national debt. Government is giving free houses, money to people who don't work. It's the only relatively wealthy European country with unlimited dole. And people make a lifestyle out of living on welfare forever. This is despite huge corporation tax…

Being a welfare state is not the problem, that's the duty of the government, and should be an example for many countries However, it's a tax heaven within Europe, therefore companies are not incentivized to create jobs, that's the problem When you have nothing to do and nothing in your life to aspire to, you become sad

Ireland has almost the lowest unemployment rate in Europe, and a pretty high job vacancy rate.

> However, it's a tax heaven within Europe, therefore companies are not incentivized to create jobs, that's the problem

Eh? The tax haven aspect has created about 300,000 jobs, if you only count IDA client companies (and not companies who benefit from spending by those companies and their employees). Ireland had high unemployment from before independence to the 90s; since the tax haven (or, as an old Taoiseach insisted on calling it, "small open economy") thing got going, unemployment has plummeted.

Re: Half of Ireland's young people have low level of mental wellbeing

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Post by anotherhue »

KoolKat23 wrote: post #55
negamax wrote: post #8

Ireland should be an international study about how a state destroyed itself by running a gigantic welfare state despite all of world's money pouring into it Almost €300B national debt. Government is giving free houses, money to people who don't work. It's the only relatively wealthy European country with unlimited dole. And people make a lifestyle out of living on welfare forever. This is despite huge corporation tax…

Your framing is all wrong and certain points are incorrect too. Clearly it's not a waste when at a GDP per capita level the country is in the top 5 in the world (and certainly the one with the largest population). Even if you want to strip out the tax aspect, the country has managed to improve living standards and now it ranks above average in living standards and earnings in Europe. Debt means nothing when the popul…

Yes I'm as strong a critic as you'll find but GP's points are some fox news nonsense. The money was siphoned out and given mostly to corporations and homeowners.

Property construction has effectively halted, health services are catastrophically underfunded (search UHL crowding), public transport is less effective than horses and there's a collapse in recruiting for teachers and police because they can make 2-3x in Australia so they do.

As a result of lack of policing, anti-social behaviour is in full swing.

Re: Half of Ireland's young people have low level of mental wellbeing

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Post by KoolKat23 »

anotherhue wrote: post #66
KoolKat23 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your framing is all wrong and certain points are incorrect too. Clearly it's not a waste when at a GDP per capita level the country is in the top 5 in the world (and certainly the one with the largest population). Even if you want to strip out the tax aspect, the country has managed to improve living standards and now it ranks above average in living standards and earnings in Europe. Debt means nothing when the popul…

Yes I'm as strong a critic as you'll find but GP's points are some fox news nonsense. The money was siphoned out and given mostly to corporations and homeowners. Property construction has effectively halted, health services are catastrophically underfunded (search UHL crowding), public transport is less effective than horses and there's a collapse in recruiting for teachers and police because they can make 2-3x in Au…

I agree with you on your point on siphoned off funds.

Property development hasn't ground to halt but is insufficient for the ever increasing demand, developers are focusing on improved margins over volumes. A symptoms of their market first approach more than anything else.

Definitely need more investment in housing, public transport and healthcare, some ambition there would be very useful.

More policing won't do anything for social issues, solve the underlying issues, social disengagement, lack of opportunities, nip any new toxic laissez-faire/not my problem culture in the bud.

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Post by rsynnott »

padjo wrote: post #59
negamax wrote: post #8

Ireland should be an international study about how a state destroyed itself by running a gigantic welfare state despite all of world's money pouring into it Almost €300B national debt. Government is giving free houses, money to people who don't work. It's the only relatively wealthy European country with unlimited dole. And people make a lifestyle out of living on welfare forever. This is despite huge corporation tax…

“A largely foreign born workforce” what right wing talking points claptrap is this?

About 12% of the population are non-citizen, 20% were born outside the state. Unemployment is 4%. How they're getting "largely foreign born workforce" from this, I don't know. It is numerically impossible.

Re: Half of Ireland's young people have low level of mental wellbeing

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Post by dkersten »

all2 wrote: post #56
superb_dev wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why don’t people deserve free housing? We need it to fucking live, it’s essential

Someone has to pay for the housing. It isn't free, the expense just gets shifted to someone else.

Ok, and?

I don’t like my high tax bill just as much as the next person, but of all the things the money gets spent on, social housing isn’t something I’m particularly upset about.

Re: Half of Ireland's young people have low level of mental wellbeing

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Post by rsynnott »

negamax wrote: post #63
padjo wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“A largely foreign born workforce” what right wing talking points claptrap is this?

That's no different than saying most/all corporations are foreign owned. Why is that a right wing claptrap? Irish right wingers are the dumbest people on the planet. Living off the foreign population in one of the largest welfare state

But, I mean, it's not _true_, unless you're defining 'largely' as something under 50%.
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