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Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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It would be handy to give street mappers some sort of defense tool from dogs. Like air horn, sticks or maybe peper spray. India has a huge problem with packs of wild street dogs, that regularly attack and kill people. It is dangerous to roam on streets you do not know very well.

This kind of applies to following existing OSM maps. I did a “walk every street in my city” thing a year ago, and some of the “streets” are very much private property and not public pathways.

I was using Citystrides FYI.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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I need to quote myself on this thread https://twitter.com/sp8962/status/1534079141640904705 Steve hasn't been a relevant force in OSM for more than a decade and if you want to do OSM a favour, point people to the editor on openstreetmap.org, not any of the mobile or "simplified" editing apps.

> point people to the editor on openstreetmap.org, not any of the mobile or "simplified" editing

I wouldn't have made most of my contributions (or even started mapping) if I had to use their website on a tiny screen or had to take pictures or notes to add it later when I had my computer. I use their website, but that only for more advanced stuff.

The right approach is approach is probably somewhere between the two extremes. Teach new users about the website, but also about apps that let you quickly fix/update/add new stuff right on your phone.

You don't have to do this yourself, just understand that simple apps are a good way to bring new users in, that they're good enough for a lot of tasks, and that this newer generation of tech users usually prefer apps to web editors.

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Contributing is simple: 1. When you see a trail or any other feature that doesn't appear on the map, take a picture. 2. When you get home, visit https://www.openstreetmap.org and start drawing. The website has satellite images overlayed wirh map data, so it's easy to see what you are doing. You can look at your pictures to remind yourself of what was missing. If you have recorded your ride,you can also upload your GP…

This. I have added trails, removed trails, added water fountains, etc... from all my bike rides trying to contribute where I can.

I think it's a good sign that OpenStreetMap has gotten so complete, at least in most USA cities, that we're starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel for things that can be added/edited. Water fountains?!?! Wow. I know that for every place where I've physically lived (and have local knowledge of the streets), OSM's roads are basically perfect, and there's no need anymore to edit them. Sometimes, I'll drive past a new suburban neighborhood being developed and they are spreading the asphalt for new streets, and I think to myself "AHA! Now is my chance to finally add a road to OSM!" I race back to my computer and lo and behold the new streets have already been added some time ago.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Similarly, as recommended in the article, StreetComplete[1], which shows incomplete areas on your map and marks them as quests to add to :) Also recommended, Organic Maps[2], which is an OSM client that's good enough to use as my main map app (in my city, at least) Final recommendation, this interview[3] with the founder of OpenStreetMap Steve Coast. 3 hours of fascinating insight into the history and future of the p…

Street Complete sounds very interesting to me, but it seems like there is no iOS version?

No iOS version as the other comment mentioned, but if you want to contribute, try Every Door ( https://every-door.app/ ) for now.

It doesn't have points and badges like Street Complete, but you can easily add/update/fix amenities, update addresses, add info about buildings, and fill in the same data using the "micromapping mode". I started with Street Complete, but now use this for most things.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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I'm trying my hand at organizing mapping events. In fact I'm doing one tomorrow by coincidence. The first few, I agonized over making sure everything was prepared, I have an agenda for how I think things will go. It's pointless. People are doing their own thing. One guy came with a phone without an Internet connection so we couldn't even edit the same area without saving over each other. He had to upload later and de…

Hey, author here. I guess this is something I should update the post to address.

I guess I have always been in the "agonizing over every detail" stage, and remain so today (looks like we both have mapping parties tomorrow, because tomorrow's our 7th party :) ).

In the beginning, we were much more "lax". We waited for latecomers. During the survey, we moved in one big group. We focused on the social aspect of the meetup - often, the meet-and-greet phase would go on for too long, and there wouldn't be much time spent in actual mapping. After each party, I would be disappointed to note that most people did not make significant map changes during the survey.

In the 5th party, we decided to observe a stricter schedule, and tried a new approach - that of splitting up into teams, assigning an area to each team, surveying the assigned areas, then regrouping and reviewing the contributions. There was a radical difference. Everyone was contributing. A significant amount of data was gathered, and the social aspect of the meetup didn't seem to suffer as we feared it might.

Delhi is very populous, but somehow there are very few OSM contributors here. [1] It's been a real struggle to get people interested in OSM, and even more of a struggle to keep them contributing in the long term. Most participants don't continue mapping after the mapping party/workshop. I prefer to think there's something off in my approach rather than in the people, because that gives me the energy to keep trying new things.

It's great that you're organizing mapping parties in your region. I laud your initiative. Good luck for your parties!

[1] India's OSM community seems to mostly be concentrated in the southern states. For the Delhi OSM community, Bangalore remains our inspiration both for OSM coverage and for mapping party productivity.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Self driving car can drive itself to a remote garage when not needed, and return back to your doorstep when needed - just press a button in your smartphone app five minutes prior. So they will stop taking space as soon they FSD.

That seems like it'd do little to decrease the amount of space cars take up: It doesn't decrease the amount of traffic (actually, empty cars driving around when they would've been parked before increases traffic), so it doesn't decrease the amount of roads. It doesn't decrease the amount of people driving to businesses, so it doesn't decrease the need for non-residential parking. It probably slightly decreases the fo…

It would absolutely decrease the amount of non-residential parking. You will be obliged to direct your car to off-site parking when driving to businesses in urban core. That's the main point.

It will be somewhere in the vicinity so it will only congest local roads, which would be much emptier now that they're not used for parking.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Seems horrible. That would not be specific to street mappers though, would it?

They mostly attack small kids, so sadly no.

Could you please stop creating accounts for every few comments you post? We ban accounts that do that. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

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Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Shameless plug for my project where one can easily see data from and add data to OpenStreetMap: https://MapComplete.org

Similarly, as recommended in the article, StreetComplete[1], which shows incomplete areas on your map and marks them as quests to add to :) Also recommended, Organic Maps[2], which is an OSM client that's good enough to use as my main map app (in my city, at least) Final recommendation, this interview[3] with the founder of OpenStreetMap Steve Coast. 3 hours of fascinating insight into the history and future of the p…

Funny, I find OSM most useful for all the little walking paths people plot... Way better than Google maps. No car based system will ever be good there.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Hi! Author here, wasn't expecting that someone would share this hastily-hacked-together post on HN ^^' Thanks for reading, and ask me anything! PS - I suspect some may have missed my footnotes if they were reading on mobile - tap the numbers to see them.

Those footnote toggles that transition to margin notes on bigger screens are absolutely amazing! Definitely going to try stealing that, thank you :)
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