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Re: Meta MTIA v2 – Meta Training and Inference Accelerator

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In their defense, it’s because the article is (understandably) sparse on details about what makes the requirements of their ranking models different from image classification or LLMs. Unless you work in industry it’s unlikely you will have heard of DeepFM or ESMM or whatever Meta is using. And building out specialized hardware does lock you in to a certain extent. Want to use more than 128GB of memory? Too bad, your…

> Want to use more than 128GB of memory? Too bad, your $10B chip doesn’t support that. Which is probably why Meta is also buying the biggest Nvidia datacenter cards by the shipload. There is no need to run inference for a small model - say for a text-ad recommendation system - on an H100 with attendant electricity and cooling costs.

Also, like, FP tensor cores are way more expensive than fixed-point tensor cores, and with some care, it's very much practical to even train DNNs on them.

E.g. it's common to have a full-width accumulator and e.g. s16 gradients with u8 activations and s8 weights, with the FMA (MAC) chain of the tensor multiply operation post-scaled with a learned u32 factor plus follow-up "learned" notify, which effectively acts as a fixed-point factor with learned position of it's point, to re-scale the outcome to the u8 activation range.

By having the gradients by sufficiently wider, it's practical to use a straight-through estimator for backpropagation. I read a paper (kinda two, actually) a few months ago that dealt with this (IIRC one of them was more about the hardware/ASIC aspects of fixed-point tensor cores, the other more about model training experiments with existing low precision integer-MAC chips IIRC particularly for interference in mind). If requested, I can probably find it by digging through my system(s); I would have already linked it/them if the cursory search hadn't failed.

Re: Meta MTIA v2 – Meta Training and Inference Accelerator

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Intel Gaudi 3 has more interconnect bandwidth than this has memory bandwidth. By a lot. I guess they can't be fairly compared without knowing the TCO for each. I know in the past Google's TPU per-chip specs lagged Nvidia but the much lower TCO made them a slam dunk for Google's inference workloads. But this seems pretty far behind the state of the art. No FP8 either.

> Intel Gaudi 3 has more interconnect bandwidth than this has memory bandwidth. LPDDR5 vs HBMe2. I'm guessing there's a 2-5x price difference between those, but even so it's an interesting choice, I don't know any other accelerators which spec DDR. But yeah, without exact TCO numbers it's hard to compare exactly.

Bandwidth is far more power hungry for DDR, but capacity is far cheaper.

If the bandwidth capability of DDR suffices, HBM isn't worth it.

At least with LPDDR's; GDDRs may well not be worth it under data center TCO considerations due to the high interface power usage. Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken, the numbers in question aren't too easy to search for so I didn't confirm this (LPDDR vs. GDDR) part.

Re: Meta MTIA v2 – Meta Training and Inference Accelerator

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Pretty fascinating they mention applications for ad serving but not Metaverse. I feel like Zuck figured out he’s just running an ads network, the world is a long way anway from some VR fever dream, and to focus on milking each DAU for as many clicks as possible.

Hes always known what pays the bills

I dunno, he burned a lot of cash on metaverse and wasn’t focused on FB. All the top talent was moved over to Metaverse and FB was treated as career killer. My impression is ads work is once again a good career play. People chase promo.
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