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Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Re: Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Post by AwaAwa »

dspillett wrote: post #49
xg15 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ostensibly this was the same deal they made with Windows XP: "We're not forcing anyone to move to Vista, we're just dropping support for XP. You don't have to upgrade if you don't want to - but of course you do want, who doesn't want to have the latest and greatest, right?" Turned out, a lot of people accepted that deal and stayed on XP. So many that MS got increasingly upset and put up pressure by adding nag screens…

> Especially since the main motivation for Win11 seems to be additional capabilities for DRM/locking down the system That, and more opportunities to insert adverts and related stalking for personal data to sell, which you agree to in the EULA.

Seems like a way for them to turn everything into a console with all the complete control that big brother prefers.

If an enterprise computer, they'll have a dashboard for corporate IT, and if retail that dashboard will be for advertisers and 3 letter agencies.

Re: Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Post by r00fus »

theodric wrote: post #36
aetherspawn wrote: post #13

We started switching to macOS ARM this year (using the same Office365 and Intune for MDM) and yeah, there were a few hiccups here and there, but in general happy to be off Windows 11 (in time for our W10 devices to ease into EOL) and don't think we could be happier any other way. In the budget end the new MacBook Airs are about the same price as the low end Dell laptops we used to buy, and on the higher end the MacBo…

macOS ARM is not a solution for getting more than 10 years out of a computer. 9-10 is about the max lifecycle of a Mac, including the trailing security updates following 6-7 years of support.

By then Asahi Linux should cover everything you need.

Re: Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Post by pdimitar »

kristofferg wrote: post #35
pdimitar wrote: post #21

So much for the "last version of Windows we'll do" then. Seems my support for Microsoft might end up for good at October 2025. Might replace my aging 1080 Ti with an AMD card and start gaming on Linux. Seems the time has come to start evaluating.

4090 works fine on Linux.

Sure but, proprietary blob and all. Who knows what else is there. Going to Linux but still using a super-privileged driver that can extract almost anything out of my system and send it outside does not sound productive to me.

Not that there's any guarantee there isn't something similar in the AMD drivers, open-source or not. But I'd like to think the community would notice at one point if that was true.

Re: Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Post by mgiampapa »

pdimitar wrote: post #63
kristofferg wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4090 works fine on Linux.

Sure but, proprietary blob and all. Who knows what else is there. Going to Linux but still using a super-privileged driver that can extract almost anything out of my system and send it outside does not sound productive to me. Not that there's any guarantee there isn't something similar in the AMD drivers, open-source or not. But I'd like to think the community would notice at one point if that was true.

I think that all depends on if someone finds 500ms of extra latency they can't explain.

Re: Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Post by senectus1 »

piva00 wrote: post #58
senectus1 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

been playing on a 3070 quite happily on linux for the last year or so, on a dual boot win11/fedora box... but after i installed fedora i never booted into win11 again! Just forked out for a 4070 ti super so i toy with some AI stuff... when it arrives I'm doing a clean fresh build. Fedora only. no windows at home anymore. While I would loved to have bought an AMD GPU, the power suck on those high end cards is an order…

> While I would loved to have bought an AMD GPU, the power suck on those high end cards is an order of magnitude more than the Nvidia Any source for this? I highly doubt a high end AMD GPU will draw 2-3kW of power.

I wish i could find the nice charts I found when i was looking. but here:

>Club386 specifically gave the example of the RX 7700 XT compared to the RTX 4070. The former is rated at 245W of power consumption versus the latter's 200W TGP. The RX 7700 XT also reportedly performs worse, targeting the RTX 4060 Ti.

>https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-says-most-gamers-dont-...

Though looking at this, if you undervolt the AMD stuff it does a lot better

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-rx-7800-xt-under...

Re: Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Post by tim333 »

Wytwwww wrote: post #28
TreetopPlace wrote: post #10

I wonder if this could be classified as an environmental crime? Microsoft are forcing to e-waste a considerable percentage of the world's computing devices, and forcing new devices to be built and consumed. And for no reason other than to force people onto Windows 11. Corporations MUST be held responsible for these actions. If not at the legal level then there must be divestment of Microsoft shares by investment grou…

Apple has already been doing this since forever.

Apple actually aren't bad at supporting older devices.

Re: Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Post by piva00 »

senectus1 wrote: post #65
piva00 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> While I would loved to have bought an AMD GPU, the power suck on those high end cards is an order of magnitude more than the Nvidia Any source for this? I highly doubt a high end AMD GPU will draw 2-3kW of power.

I wish i could find the nice charts I found when i was looking. but here: >Club386 specifically gave the example of the RX 7700 XT compared to the RTX 4070. The former is rated at 245W of power consumption versus the latter's 200W TGP. The RX 7700 XT also reportedly performs worse, targeting the RTX 4060 Ti. > https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-says-most-gamers-dont-... Though looking at this, if you undervolt the…

That's 245W vs 200W, 45W of difference, not even close to an order of magnitude more power draw...

Re: Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Post by theodric »

r00fus wrote: post #62
theodric wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

macOS ARM is not a solution for getting more than 10 years out of a computer. 9-10 is about the max lifecycle of a Mac, including the trailing security updates following 6-7 years of support.

By then Asahi Linux should cover everything you need.

Assuming the SSD is still functional, yes, but otherwise it's probably functionally E-waste at that point unless BGA rework becomes accessible and commonplace. Even then, Asahi Linux is a niche solution to a mass-market problem. Surfdudes and winemoms who aren't also tech people aren't going to want to give up their entire app ecosystem and switch to Linux just to continue using their computer. They'll want the computer to simply keep computering, and will end up replacing it.

Re: Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025

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Post by Wytwwww »

tim333 wrote: post #66
Wytwwww wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has already been doing this since forever.

Apple actually aren't bad at supporting older devices.

How? They arbitrarily blocked new versions of macOS from being installed on older macs (even if they are perfectly capable of running it after you install it with a workaround).

Compared to MS they basically don't care about backwards compatibility at all. For instance, good luck running most moderately old games (e.g. even from the 2010s) even on Intel macs after they stopped working because they were using any 32bit libraries. Or you can not update (even if Apple lets you) but good luck running any recent software then.

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