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Light Table is in YCS12

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Re: Light Table is in YCS12

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Post by esmevane »

levesque wrote: post #49
leejoramo wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My question too. I backed Light Table with the hope they would hit the Python milestone.

I won't back them based on a maybe. We'll talk again when python support becomes more than a teaser :)

Wouldn't you think of this as slightly contrary to the purpose of backing a Kickstarter project?

What I mean is, say the project had been set at 300k and python was one of the base supported languages. That would actually be no different than it is now, except that now the software itself is already guaranteed(1).

Also, the python inclusion is certainly on the roadmap if it's mentioned before the project has been funded, right? So if you back it, then you're still probably backing a(n eventually) python-speaking platform.

1 - [Edit]: Well, "guaranteed", no. Funded, yes.

Re: Light Table is in YCS12

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Post by prpatel »

ckrailo wrote: post #23
ibdknox wrote: post #5

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Nope! The plan is still for the platform to be open source, likely under a GPLish license.

Ugh, please avoid the GPL. Go for Apache or BSD or something more free.

Like someone stated, it's a dev tool that will not likely need to be bundled with your end product. I use Emacs, which is also GPL, as do other people, with no hinderance from a license point of view.

If I were doing Light Table, I'd use GPL too - It also does not preclude someone from writing their own plugins and selling them as an add-on. I would assume there will be a way for easy/seamless plugin installation into the main program.

Re: Light Table is in YCS12

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Post by ynniv »

spamizbad wrote: post #32
streptomycin wrote: post #30

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It's a standalone piece of software, not a library. How does it being GPL affect you?

Well, for one, you can't make small modifications to the code and then resell it as a commercial product with the original author's copyrights tucked away in an about box. You'd actually have to release the source code too. It will be harder to convince customers you've added value if they can see exactly what you've changed.

Is this sarcastic, or did you just now realize the point of the GPL?

Re: Light Table is in YCS12

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Post by jaredsohn »

Jun8 wrote: post #52
getsat wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TextMate 2 came out a while ago. It changed its name to "Sublime Text 2" and it is awesome.

You must be talking about the alpha release that was released end of last year? My joke about TM's new release turned out to be not so good.

I'm pretty sure that the GP just made a joke that at least didn't work for you.

The GP is likely referring to this sentiment: "I started to realize that Sublime Text seemed to be everything many of us had hoped for in Textmate 2, but in software that was available today in a polished, fully functional version, not a just a rather buggy alpha preview."

-- http://casperfabricius.com/site/2012/01/24/my-first-week-wit...

Re: Light Table is in YCS12

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Post by Jun8 »

I have a comment that I thought about since I read this in the morning but could be perhaps interpreted as negative, but I'm really curious as to what people are thinking about this:

I think this news is great, the quicker innovative editing tools like LT appear the better. But I have an uneasy feeling about an incubator (even though YC is the best one, IMO) or a VC scooping up projects from Kickstarter. I always thought KS was a way for the intelligent nobodies to bypass the whole incubator-VC-whatever system and to appeal directly to the masses. How to put it, there's a sense of Olympic amateurishness (in the original sense of the word) in KS projects. When they are picked up like this it sorts of negates that sense.

What do you think?

Re: Light Table is in YCS12

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Post by mangler »

OK now, this is a whole new business model and I like it. Early supporters pay for the demo and get a t-shirt. Later supporters pay for the continuing refinement of the demo and get a t-shirt. Later supporters pay for the demo and get a t-shirt a mention somewhere.

When the demo is awesome (but not open to the public) and also the market can be assessed based on early support, someone (who saw the latest demo and the early support) pays for the rest, but what they get is a cut from any potential future cash flows. Now, this, is, neat!!!

Incidentally, this is the problem with Kickstarter - if you want money, don't give me a t-shirt, give me a part of your future profit. Then people who back bad ideas suffer and people who back good ideas profit. As opposed to the current model, where everyone gets a cheap shitty t-shirt and the world gets another worthless r&b record that nobody wants.

Re: Light Table is in YCS12

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Post by brandall10 »

Jun8 wrote: post #66

I have a comment that I thought about since I read this in the morning but could be perhaps interpreted as negative, but I'm really curious as to what people are thinking about this: I think this news is great , the quicker innovative editing tools like LT appear the better. But I have an uneasy feeling about an incubator (even though YC is the best one, IMO) or a VC scooping up projects from Kickstarter. I always th…

Hmm... that's an interesting perspective, I'm of the opposite opinion. I do get the sentiment though.

There's a big difference between imagining something might be a great idea because of intuition, A/B testing/market research, even launching and getting engagement but no monetization... vs. getting people to actually put their hard-earned dollars into it in advance of any available product.

To me, there's no stronger 'go' signal one can have. To an investor it takes away all the mystery... do you even need a pitch? The only thing left is whether or not the team can execute on the vision. And hence the value of a great incubator to reduce friction on that end.

Re: Light Table is in YCS12

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Post by Jach »

netghost wrote: post #58
Tuna-Fish wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Question. Did this: > I've been quiet over the past couple weeks as I've been putting together a demo to show the real power of what's to come and I can't wait to show it to you all. I'll give you a little hint: I've been making a lot of sssSSSSssssSSssss noises lately ;) ever get released? Was the demo for the YC?

I assume it's going to have Python sssSSssSSssupport.

Alternatively hacking Minecraft on-the-fly via Clojure.

Re: Light Table is in YCS12

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Post by TeeWEE »

I dont see how light table is different than an good ide for java.

- docs everywhere

When i hover over a symbol, method or class i get the documentation right in my IDE

- instant feedback

Ok this is new but can only be done for simple calculations

- table as a unit of work

Saying that "we can de better than files" is true. In fact in my IDE i just dragndrop methods around, navigate the class hierarchy, etc. Its just coincidence that every class is represented as a file. But i do not care. The point is that i write code against the AST and not against "plain text". The IDE parses the code on the spot. This is nothing new.

So all in all i dont see a lot of new concepts.

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