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Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models

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Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models

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The question I have is, why should your browser also be the interface to local AI models? Seems totally unrelated to be honest.

Opera is an anything-Internet-suite. It's not just a browser, but aims to deliver interfaces for anything else people are doing with browsers. So anything for which most people would use a website or web-extensions, they deliver out of the box. And AI seems to be something that should be integrated deep into such an environment.

Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models

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FYI for those not aware: Vivaldi(1) is the new "true Opera". The original Opera sold in 2016 to "a Chinese consortium"(2) 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_(web_browser) 2: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/11/business/dealbook/china-o...

That's a rather xenophobic take to be stating so loudly. Is there any reason to believe that being associated with Chinese intrinsically makes it lesser? Edit: they're all chromium anyways.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Party

Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models

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FYI for those not aware: Vivaldi(1) is the new "true Opera". The original Opera sold in 2016 to "a Chinese consortium"(2) 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_(web_browser) 2: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/11/business/dealbook/china-o...

That's a rather xenophobic take to be stating so loudly. Is there any reason to believe that being associated with Chinese intrinsically makes it lesser? Edit: they're all chromium anyways.

From my understanding it comes from a law passed that allows unlimited access by state intelligence services in China to any firms customer data.

  "The most controversial sections of the law include Article 7 which potentially compels businesses registered or operating in the People's Republic of China to hand over information to Chinese intelligence agencies such as the MSS and to conceal the fact that they do so." [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Intelligence_Law_of_t...

Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a rather xenophobic take to be stating so loudly. Is there any reason to believe that being associated with Chinese intrinsically makes it lesser? Edit: they're all chromium anyways.

From my understanding it comes from a law passed that allows unlimited access by state intelligence services in China to any firms customer data. "The most controversial sections of the law include Article 7 which potentially compels businesses registered or operating in the People's Republic of China to hand over information to Chinese intelligence agencies such as the MSS and to conceal the fact that they do so." […

The same laws apply to American companies for American data requested by American agencies, is that better? And likely Norwegian too, but I don't know the specifics there.

Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my understanding it comes from a law passed that allows unlimited access by state intelligence services in China to any firms customer data. "The most controversial sections of the law include Article 7 which potentially compels businesses registered or operating in the People's Republic of China to hand over information to Chinese intelligence agencies such as the MSS and to conceal the fact that they do so." […

The same laws apply to American companies for American data requested by American agencies, is that better? And likely Norwegian too, but I don't know the specifics there.

Yes, it is better.

Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a rather xenophobic take to be stating so loudly. Is there any reason to believe that being associated with Chinese intrinsically makes it lesser? Edit: they're all chromium anyways.

From my understanding it comes from a law passed that allows unlimited access by state intelligence services in China to any firms customer data. "The most controversial sections of the law include Article 7 which potentially compels businesses registered or operating in the People's Republic of China to hand over information to Chinese intelligence agencies such as the MSS and to conceal the fact that they do so." […

Which like yeah, but the US doesn't exactly come out smelling like a rose here. The whole EU-US transatlantic data transfer spat surrounding Facebook was because of PRISM which EU courts ruled gave the US the same level of access.

The US even went so far to demand that US intelligence has domain over data no matter where it's stored, and supremacy when it conflicts with local laws https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/29/us-court-....

If you're in the US you could make an argument that it's fine because it's your own government -- which I don't really buy because China can't arrest you over here -- but to everyone else US tech and business should be just as toxic as China if that's the real motivation.

Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models

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FYI for those not aware: Vivaldi(1) is the new "true Opera". The original Opera sold in 2016 to "a Chinese consortium"(2) 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_(web_browser) 2: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/11/business/dealbook/china-o...

That's a rather xenophobic take to be stating so loudly. Is there any reason to believe that being associated with Chinese intrinsically makes it lesser? Edit: they're all chromium anyways.

The creator of Opera sold the company and created Vivaldi. That's it. To me that means Vivaldi is now the "true Opera". I could replace "Chinese consortium" with "Danish consortium" or "French consortium" and it would mean exactly the same thing (not to mention these are not my words, but copy+pasted from Wikipedia). You seem to be jumping to conclusions about my intentions.

I use Vivaldi every day, and like it very much.

Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models

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I actually just submitted something quite relevant - a side project we soft-launched today that uses LLMs to analyse and group browser tabs across various browsers and devices. It turns out that it’s super demanding for today’s models, but with some optimisations and experimentation, we made it work pretty well. Running local LLMs might be a heavy order currently to get the job done, but in the near future I don't se…

I think LLMs could replace plugins like DownThemAll and so on with more flexible interface.
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