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Fired Americans Say Indian Firm Gave Their Jobs to H-1B Visa Holders

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Re: Fired Americans Say Indian Firm Gave Their Jobs to H-1B Visa Holders

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Post by wkat4242 »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #56
gambiting wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>I'm asking since I live in an EU country where you can get laid off for no reason and employers usually provide no exact reason in writing precisely to potentially avoid getting sued. What EU country is that?

>What EU country is that? Austria.

Wow weird. I've been there and l thought it was a really socialist country. Especially because the housing in Vienna seems very well regulated to avoid extreme prices.

But I didn't really discuss this topic with the coworkers I visited so clearly I was wrong :(

Re: Fired Americans Say Indian Firm Gave Their Jobs to H-1B Visa Holders

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Post by bluedino »

engineer_22 wrote: post #6
ushtaritk421 wrote: post #3

I don’t think there is anything wrong with this. If anything, we should change the law to encourage much more high-skill immigration

H1B means that there are no Americans capable of doing the job

Sadly there aren't many. Most of the H1B's can't do the jobs either

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Post by wizerdrobe »

syndicatedjelly wrote: post #53
ein0p wrote: post #21

Indians prefer to hire their own, this is very well known. And because this can’t even be discussed honestly, US corporations are powerless against this preferential treatment.

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Never a popular topic on HN, but I’ve been through some appalling diversity training as a white man that seems a-ok in the broader culture. I’ve left one high paying prominent fintech job over such nonsense.

Sadly, I feel this is the result - if we’re not going to be colorblind as a rule everyone is going to “wise up” (and I use the phrase loosely) and start attacking everyone else.

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Post by lizardking »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #36
pylua wrote: post #2

Paywall, but it is clear that companies are literally starving for cheap labor. They are willing to do anything, including bringing over workers on potentially inappropriate visas ( I am not a lawyer, just what I have seen). Honestly I am surprised that they didn’t just hire directly in India.

If the people predicting re-onshoring of production are correct (same people are predicting generally the collapse of China from demographics, which is a tad dramatic), companies need to get used to paying more for labor. Globalization is coming to an end. An unparalleled period of worldwide navigational stability and political stability enabled indirect access to labor markets of a vastly larger size. Why is that? B…

Found Peter Zeihan’s burner account ;)

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Post by smilekzs »

feyman_r wrote: post #26
ein0p wrote: post #21

Indians prefer to hire their own, this is very well known. And because this can’t even be discussed honestly, US corporations are powerless against this preferential treatment.

Any sources, data etc. to back that up? Is it also for other ethnicities? How many of the top Indian CEO directs are Indian?

Also perhaps indirectly, H-1B LCA filings are public. TCS et al are consistently on top over many years.

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Post by pylua »

throwaway5959 wrote: post #54
pylua wrote: post #2

Paywall, but it is clear that companies are literally starving for cheap labor. They are willing to do anything, including bringing over workers on potentially inappropriate visas ( I am not a lawyer, just what I have seen). Honestly I am surprised that they didn’t just hire directly in India.

They’re starving so badly for cheap talent that they’re taking in record profits.

That seems like the only lever these companies have to pull to increase the stock price.

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Post by syndicatedjelly »

wizerdrobe wrote: post #63
syndicatedjelly wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Never a popular topic on HN, but I’ve been through some appalling diversity training as a white man that seems a-ok in the broader culture. I’ve left one high paying prominent fintech job over such nonsense. Sadly, I feel this is the result - if we’re not going to be colorblind as a rule everyone is going to “wise up” (and I use the phrase loosely) and start attacking everyone else.

Sorry to hear that. I find those kinds of trainings rather distasteful as well, and I'm not even white. I'm lucky I can ignore that kind of crap for the most part. Except when people start inventing nonsense to libel Indian people with.

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Post by [deleted] »

hash872 wrote: post #24
ushtaritk421 wrote: post #3

I don’t think there is anything wrong with this. If anything, we should change the law to encourage much more high-skill immigration

The H1-B program allows a large number of people into the US, and frankly they vary a ton in how 'skilled' they are. Some are super-smart, some are mediocre, some are just bad. This really confounds the human tendency to make simplistic snap judgements about things. From my experience, the best H1-Bs go to the FAANGs (or whatever we're calling them these days). The middle of the pack go to consulting companies like A…

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Post by ein0p »

syndicatedjelly wrote: post #53
ein0p wrote: post #21

Indians prefer to hire their own, this is very well known. And because this can’t even be discussed honestly, US corporations are powerless against this preferential treatment.

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Broadly speaking this is undeniable, and as an Indian you know it. This is precisely what I meant when I mentioned this can’t be honestly discussed: you’re denying reality to score some grievance points. I do personally know Indians who do not play these games. They exist, you might even be one of them. Congrats!

But do consider the following statistics: 30% of Fortune 500 CEOs are Indian, and one third of all Silicon Valley engineers. While India represents a large talent pool, eg China represents an even larger pool, and yet we do not observe a large percentage of Chinese managers or CEOs. Care to theorize why that is?

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Post by D13Fd »

snapetom wrote: post #58
Rinzler89 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok so it's not really at will. There's still laws and regulations around firings.

Correct. "At will" isn't quite the dystopian corporate nightmare some make it out to be. You can't just make up a reason. It has to be valid, and even if it is, it will be a headache for the legal department if there is even a hint that the person was targeted for being in a protected class. If it's proven the company fabricated the reason, well, you might as well name the company after person at that point. That's w…

> It has to be valid

It doesn’t have to be valid. You can fire someone because you don’t like them, or for no reason at all.

You just can’t fire them for a prohibited reason, such as race, age over 40, sex, disability etc.

Needing a reason is more of a practical problem - every person is a member of at least two protected classes (everyone has a race and sex). If you have no reason for firing a person, it’s often pretty easy for them to argue it was really based on a protected characteristic.

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