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Proxmox VE: Import Wizard for Migrating VMware ESXi VMs

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Re: Proxmox VE: Import Wizard for Migrating VMware ESXi VMs

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Post by zer00eyz »

irusensei wrote: post #29
zer00eyz wrote: post #8

I have been running proxmox at home for a few months now. It has been, to say the least, an adventure. And I have nothing but good things to say about Proxmox at this point. Its running not only my home related items (MQTT, Homeassitant), it also plays host to some of the projects I'm working on (postgres, go apps, etc...) rather than runing some sort of local dev. If you need to exit vmware, proxmox seems like a goo…

I appreciate projects like Proxmox but it must be also said that you can achieve same functionality sans the UI with tools available on most Linux distributions: libvirt, lx{c,d}, podman etc.

True...

And Proxmox is just skin on lxc and quemu/kvm.

I will say that as I have just started playing with the lxc api, having the Proxmox UI as a quick and easy visual cross check has been lovely.

Podman is an amazing alternative to docker, cant say enough good things about it.

Re: Proxmox VE: Import Wizard for Migrating VMware ESXi VMs

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Post by the_swd »

moondev wrote: post #60

If proxmox supported OVA and OVF it would be huge. It seems technically possible as there is a new experimental kvm backend for virtual box which supports OVA. At the end of the day OVA is just machine metadata packaged as XML with all required VM artifacts, there is also some cool things like supporting launch variables. Leveraging the format would bring a bunch of momentum considering all the existing OVAs in the w…

Proxmox documentation does mention OVF support https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Migrate_to_Proxmox_VE#Import_OV...

Seems a bit barebones, as in no support for a nice OVF properties launch UI, but one should be able to extract an OVA to an OVF and VMDK an manually edit the OVF with appropriate properties.

I actually had plans this week to try exactly that...

Re: Proxmox VE: Import Wizard for Migrating VMware ESXi VMs

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Post by Underphil »

the_swd wrote: post #62
moondev wrote: post #60

If proxmox supported OVA and OVF it would be huge. It seems technically possible as there is a new experimental kvm backend for virtual box which supports OVA. At the end of the day OVA is just machine metadata packaged as XML with all required VM artifacts, there is also some cool things like supporting launch variables. Leveraging the format would bring a bunch of momentum considering all the existing OVAs in the w…

Proxmox documentation does mention OVF support https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Migrate_to_Proxmox_VE#Import_OV... Seems a bit barebones, as in no support for a nice OVF properties launch UI, but one should be able to extract an OVA to an OVF and VMDK an manually edit the OVF with appropriate properties. I actually had plans this week to try exactly that...

I've set up a ton of virtual appliances that way. It's just a regular ZIP file with the config and vmdk(s).

Re: Proxmox VE: Import Wizard for Migrating VMware ESXi VMs

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Post by moondev »

the_swd wrote: post #62
moondev wrote: post #60

If proxmox supported OVA and OVF it would be huge. It seems technically possible as there is a new experimental kvm backend for virtual box which supports OVA. At the end of the day OVA is just machine metadata packaged as XML with all required VM artifacts, there is also some cool things like supporting launch variables. Leveraging the format would bring a bunch of momentum considering all the existing OVAs in the w…

Proxmox documentation does mention OVF support https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Migrate_to_Proxmox_VE#Import_OV... Seems a bit barebones, as in no support for a nice OVF properties launch UI, but one should be able to extract an OVA to an OVF and VMDK an manually edit the OVF with appropriate properties. I actually had plans this week to try exactly that...

Interesting thanks for sharing. Surfacing this in the UI would be great if it works well for sure.

Another handy feature is the ContentLibrary for organizing and launching OVA/OVF, as well as launching OVA directly from a URL without needing to download it next to the cli.

This makes me think there could be an opportunity in "PhotoPea (kvm gui) for vCenter" - in the same manner photopea is a clean room implementation of the photoshop UI/UX

Re: Proxmox VE: Import Wizard for Migrating VMware ESXi VMs

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Post by subract »

rafaelturk wrote: post #64

Proxmox is great! I just wish that they had a better initial plan, plans start at €1020.

I see plans with access to the Enterprise repos starting at €110/yr, and plans with 3 support tickets starting at €340. €1020 is the starting price for a plan with a 2hr SLA.

https://shop.proxmox.com/index.php?rp=/store/proxmox-ve-comm...

Re: Proxmox VE: Import Wizard for Migrating VMware ESXi VMs

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Post by MrDarcy »

moondev wrote: post #51
blaerk wrote: post #7

I really hope the crazy prize increase of vmware products will end the use of esxi and the rest of the vsphere suite, it is one of the worst applications and apis i have ever had the displeasure of working with!

By application do you mean vCenter? It's in an entirely different league than proxmox. https://i0.wp.com/williamlam.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/... https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd....

It’s not in a different league. I’ve used both in production. As others have said vSphere breaks down with thousands of VM’s, and worse the vSwitch implementation is buggy and unreliable as soon as you add more than a couple to a cluster.

Re: Proxmox VE: Import Wizard for Migrating VMware ESXi VMs

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Post by MrDarcy »

mavhc wrote: post #43
nolok wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> nothing is quite as simple to start with as ESXi if you've never used a type 1 hypervisor before Not sure about where ESXi is at lately on that level, but latest proxmox is really, really simple to start with if you've never used an hypervisor. You boot on the usb drive, press yes a few times, open the ip:port they give you and then you can click "create vm", next next next here is the iso to boot from and that's i…

also does zfs raidz boot in the installer

Also does ceph in the GUI for near instant live migrations.

Re: Proxmox VE: Import Wizard for Migrating VMware ESXi VMs

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Post by dusanh »

Helmut10001 wrote: post #40

I use Proxmox since 5 years at home. Mostly docker nested in unprivileged LXCs on ZFS for performance reasons. I love the reliability. Proxmox has never lost me. They churn out constant progress without making too much noise. No buzzwords, no advertising, just a good reliable product that keeps getting better.

Unprivileged LXCs? Interesting, I thought containers would require privileged LXC. At least, that it my takeaway from trying to run Podman in a nesting enabled, but unprivileged LXC under non-root user. I kept running into

> newuidmap: write to uid_map failed: Operation not permitted

I tried googling it, tried some of the solutions, but reached the conclusion that it's happening because the LXC is not privileged.

Re: Proxmox VE: Import Wizard for Migrating VMware ESXi VMs

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Post by moondev »

MrDarcy wrote: post #67
moondev wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By application do you mean vCenter? It's in an entirely different league than proxmox. https://i0.wp.com/williamlam.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/... https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd....

It’s not in a different league. I’ve used both in production. As others have said vSphere breaks down with thousands of VM’s, and worse the vSwitch implementation is buggy and unreliable as soon as you add more than a couple to a cluster.

> the vSwitch implementation is buggy and unreliable as soon as you add more than a couple to a cluster.

Next time try dSwitch (distributed switch) instead of vSwitch. It's designed for cluster use and much more powerful (and easier to manage across hosts). Manually managing vSwitches across a cluster sounds like torture.

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