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Oxide Cloud Computer. No Cables. No Assembly. Just Cloud

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Re: Oxide Cloud Computer. No Cables. No Assembly. Just Cloud

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Curious if oxide is considering a 1-2U product. Feel like there is a larger potential customer base there but it also seems like they would lose the edge they built by owning the full rack. (I.e. integrating with customer TORs and network fabric is a nightmare.)

A 6U product kind of like the blade server enclosures could be interesting too. That said, I haven't worked in a datacenter for 14 years, so don't listen to me too seriously...

Re: Oxide Cloud Computer. No Cables. No Assembly. Just Cloud

#62
Wishcasting a future Framework [1] laptop, bundled with Oxide rack for local and remote management:

  AMD Pro CPU with SKINIT and SEV
  AMD OpenSIL + OSS coreboot firmware
  Motherboard with Infineon 9672 (or newer) TPM for DRTM secure launch
  ECC memory
  Add-on modules for OcuLink [2] (external PCIe) and Nitrokey (2FA, HSM) with OSS Rust firmware [3]
  OS support for QubesOS (with Oxide management VM) or Oxide custom OS
This could be used in the following business contexts:

  High-integrity client workstation within Oxide manufacturing supply chain(s)
  Customer local admin of Oxide rack
  Customer remote admin of Oxide rack, with mutual attestation
  Oxide remote troubleshooting of customer Oxide rack, with mutual attestation
Plus demand-generating use cases from buyers of the equivalent Framework laptop model, who can install their preferred OSS components, including but not limited to the above business contexts.

[1] Framework, https://oxide.computer/podcasts/oxide-and-friends/1632642. Lenovo and other OEMs may follow Framework's lead.

[2] OcuLink expansion module, https://community.frame.work/t/oculink-expansion-bay-module/...

[3] Nitrokey Rust firmware, https://github.com/Nitrokey/nitrokey-3-firmware

Re: Oxide Cloud Computer. No Cables. No Assembly. Just Cloud

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I do not purchase hardware, but $1MM is way above what I would have expected. Going to Dell, the most expensive pre-built rack mount starts at ~$30k. Assuming 16 of those only gets you to $480k. Throw in an extra premium for the rack itself + small company margins still leaves me reaching to get to that price point.

Price delta is out of the box cloud orchestration value (imho). Most large enterprises would struggle to build this themselves (Mesos->OpenShift->Kubernetes/Tanzu/etc), so you’re paying for turnkey cloud on prem. Probably save in the long run considering public cloud margins. Enterprise CIO doesn’t want a hobby project (attempting to cobble together internal cloud orchestration and infra), they want to be able to sho…

I mean…you could also just get a z/VM system and have a few LPARs on it and just use Ansible for orchestration. Why wouldn’t an enterprise CIO just go for a mainframe system?

Re: Oxide Cloud Computer. No Cables. No Assembly. Just Cloud

#64

Are there any videos or screencasts of one of these in operation? I’d love to see a fresh out of box to up and running walkthrough similar to what VMWare produced for Tanzu. It’s such a niece thing that lots of tech people who’d be really interested will never get to play with one but it seems there’s not much material out there.

The console is open source, and you can try a demo of it in your browser https://console-preview.oxide.computer/ https://github.com/oxidecomputer/console I also wrote up a blog post walking through me setting up a server by hand: https://steveklabnik.com/writing/using-the-oxide-console You can also use the API, there's a terraform provider, etc.

Poking through Oxide's OSS a few months ago made me want to work with the company so badly. But I am honestly just not (yet) a strong enough candidate - perhaps in a couple of years! In the meantime I will keep rooting around in hubris[0] :)

[0] https://github.com/oxidecomputer/hubris - fascinating little kernel

Re: Oxide Cloud Computer. No Cables. No Assembly. Just Cloud

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I'm trying to make sense of what this is. I don't get what the unique selling point is. I understand that this is about server hosting. And from context I gather that this is about Rust. It seems that special/custom hardware is involved. And they advocate for buying instead of renting servers. But I can't figure out more than that.

Who should be interested in this product? Does it make sense to compare this to AWS, Google Cloud or Azure?

Re: Oxide Cloud Computer. No Cables. No Assembly. Just Cloud

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Grift pricing denotes a grift. If there's no price then the price is made up.

I'd bet money there's thousands of b2b deals that look exactly like this.

Considering most of the B2B deals are a huge PITA I’m not sure this is a good thing?

Re: Oxide Cloud Computer. No Cables. No Assembly. Just Cloud

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post #65

I'm trying to make sense of what this is. I don't get what the unique selling point is. I understand that this is about server hosting. And from context I gather that this is about Rust. It seems that special/custom hardware is involved. And they advocate for buying instead of renting servers. But I can't figure out more than that. Who should be interested in this product? Does it make sense to compare this to AWS, G…

Companies that run large on-prem workloads and want to have similar hardware/software to what the likes of Google, FB etc. have in their data centers

Re: Oxide Cloud Computer. No Cables. No Assembly. Just Cloud

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post #67
post #65

I'm trying to make sense of what this is. I don't get what the unique selling point is. I understand that this is about server hosting. And from context I gather that this is about Rust. It seems that special/custom hardware is involved. And they advocate for buying instead of renting servers. But I can't figure out more than that. Who should be interested in this product? Does it make sense to compare this to AWS, G…

Companies that run large on-prem workloads and want to have similar hardware/software to what the likes of Google, FB etc. have in their data centers

Does that mean that Oxide sells computers that are optimized for on-premise cloud deployments?

Re: Oxide Cloud Computer. No Cables. No Assembly. Just Cloud

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post #65

I'm trying to make sense of what this is. I don't get what the unique selling point is. I understand that this is about server hosting. And from context I gather that this is about Rust. It seems that special/custom hardware is involved. And they advocate for buying instead of renting servers. But I can't figure out more than that. Who should be interested in this product? Does it make sense to compare this to AWS, G…

It seems like they're vertically integrating everything from hardware to the hypervisor/orchestration layer (something that serves the same function as Kubernetes?) along with their own developer tooling for deploying and managing workloads.

edit: And it seems like it's aimed at companies that don't want to pay cloud margins, but don't (yet) have the expertise to set up a production-worthy Kubernetes (or similar) cluster from scratch. An opinionated appliance vs DIY approach.

Re: Oxide Cloud Computer. No Cables. No Assembly. Just Cloud

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies that run large on-prem workloads and want to have similar hardware/software to what the likes of Google, FB etc. have in their data centers

Does that mean that Oxide sells computers that are optimized for on-premise cloud deployments?

I think they sell something like mini and on prem gcp / aws. You just connect the thing to power and ethernet and now you got your own locally running Webinterface / API which can start VMs, networks etc
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